Sounds the same to me?

best guess is one actively maintains ecosystems and the other one protests nuclear plants and logging companies because they watched ferngully once

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Right see conservationists do things like forest management. Environmentalists think that is raping Mother Gia and it is better to have your state catch fire every year or so......

Little do they know that only by human intervention are so many species particularly endangered ones still alive and for the ones that are, rebounding.

It's usually moralizing busybodies that are environmentalists. Or those with an agenda, to prescribe motive to their actions other than morality (or alleged morality)

My parents' power turned back on about an hour and a half from this post, so perhaps they aren't going to keep everyone out of power as long as projected after they realized the shitstorm they already got themselves into

so its not directly because of wind conditions, then?

Well wind can knock down power lines and that can start fires. But I'd point out that 90% of tornados for like, the whole fucking planet, happen in the Midwest. And there are forests here too. Yet we manage not to burn ourselves up on a regular basis and do not require rolling blackouts to accomplish that feat.

TL;DR wind is real but the primary problem is Californians are idiots.

I mean, knocking down power lines can do enough damage by itself

though I don't know why the word 'surge' was about to come to my head, seeing that its a cessation of power, not a rpid influx

Ok but have you seen a tornado? One threw a tree through our living room when I was 6. I assure you they knock over power lines and buildings and all kinds of shit.

yeah I'm aware. Oregon had winds that uprooted fucking 3-story trees in my neighborhood

my point is, is the power company being cunts, or are they reasonable in their blackouts?

It is likely reasonable for CA because they do not do forestry management for shit. Which is to say wind is not the real problem.

fair enough

The issue was

Regardless on if you think anything is a conspiracy for greater acts, which I won't get into because they're more out there for regular folks

The time in which California was not doing protective deforestation was also conveniently the same chunk of years, around 4~5, that the state was experiencing a very high level of drought.

Coupled with bad weather, assuming weather was the cause and not a guise, triggered a fire after powerlines went down.

So there was absolutely tons of dry fuel and bark-beetle infested tree corpses to burn

That, and a load of Eucalyptus trees had been gifted nearly a century ago from Australia

And guess how flammable Eucalyptus oil is (they don't even allow its use in saunas)

While I am sure those are factors I do not think you comprehend how insane CA 'environmental' regulations are or the negative impacts of them. Look on the back of a can of WD-40. It is restricted in CA. You cannot use 140 flash mineral spirits in the whole state as a degreaser. This sort of Luddite mania carries over into their forest management making it public policy to turn their forests into active tinder boxes.

Nigger I just said that and I say it as a lifelong California resident

Protective Deforestation is merely one aspect of their monumental environmentalism failures

I was merely highlighting specifics behind the Butte Fire and to a lesser extent the Paradise Fire

Among other known fires in that time frame

Oh I'm sorry I did not realize you were from CA. I will speak slowly and use pictures where possible.....

how the fuck are you two arguing toward the same purpose yet still disagreeing?

or think you are

My surface level analysis is that I was relatively civil before he called me nigger.......

At which point I felt it only honorable to comment on his degenerate heritage as a Californian......

Dad left Cali for Oregon and immediately went to the beach

he didn't like Oregon very much after that

I probably missed the earlier conversation, but lmao why is CA cutting power to people? Is CA entering the 'Electricity allowance' era of Socialism?

apparently it all relates back to fire prevention because of their fucking spastic forestry deregulation

Yup

@Tiberius
Can't spell Environmentalist without mental.

Precisely