The elitists have failed in the USA and the UK

And now the populists are rocking up

And they are kicking and screaming

Eventually it will turn back

I trust populists more, at least they're brazen in lying

If we mean populist politicians

There is a place for both

But at the end of the day there's little difference because all politicians lie for votes

what's the populists we're talking about then?

When the populists start to not institute and real changes or policies to maintain popularity

can you give me a good definition to work with?

^ asking in good faith, not a trap

So it could be said all politicians are populists

Someone who were to listen to people

that's what I said

Over advisors

Or other countries etc

oh

Populists are usually more nationalist

More dedicated to their home country, their peoples

isn't that just non milk toast non-centrists?

You can take it to the extremes of course

I just described a general populist

There's an insinuation that populists tell the people what they want to hear, but they all do that anyway

You can have a populist that never does anything, gives the people everything for free

Crippling the country

Just for votes

That's extreme

Corbyn

nah, corbyn is ideaolical

Sometimes you need an elite to do what is nessisary

everything for free is part of that

Such as in war

Which is why it cycles

When one becomes ineffective for whatever reason

The elite isn't very elite though, half the backbenches are barely qualified to manage a tea shop

The other takes over

You don't need qualifications to be an elite

Just power

And the way you wield it

depends what you call the elite tho