there's only one answer you can give if you're being honest

It's 100% as valid as IQ test scores

so you're dishonest

No, you just don't like me pointing out the flaw in your statistics

you're not pointing out a flaw

People who have tattoos are more successful

i mean, other than in the sense that the statistic taken by itself doesn't *necessarily* prove what i am saying it does

People who break a bone as a child are more successful

and again with the false equivalences

What's false about them?

because the potential causal link is not as clear with these variables

How are they less valid than your totally non-causal connections?

@Benjamin Henry please find some research if u want to convince June, otherwise ur gonna get nowhere

can you demonstrate a causal link between socioeconomic status and crime in the way that you are asking of me?

(no)

assume the progressive position as the default, and set the burden of proof for the opposing position so high it cannot ever be "proven"

very cliche routine!

Actually, yes. If you or your family has less money, it's just more likely you'll resort to other means to take care of yourself or them. Mazlow's hierarchy of needs

lmao

There's a direct causal relationship there

uh no there's not

you haven't proven this causal relationship exists

If you say so

you've just given me the equivalent of what i've given for the causal link between iq and income

No, I've given you a causal relationship. You only have correlation

but you haven't demonstrated this causal relationship exists

you've given a potential causal explanation

but you haven't proven that it's real

You have two things that could be decades apart

Also the chart that was linked controlled for that, right?

It was, yes

I didn't see IQ on that chart, btw

so all you have is an attempt to establish a causal relationship through reason? the exact same thing i did with iq and income?

No, not the same - because doing well on IQ tests, as I said, doesn't necessarily measure what you're claiming it measures

All it measures is how good you are at taking IQ tests

yes and being good at iq tests involves how well you are able to apply abstract reasoning and pattern recognition

Or, you could just take them over and over and your score can improve

this is irrelevant to iq statistics in general

I think it's quite relevant

Since the taking of tests in general is a skill you can improve

no because the overwhelming majority of people who comprise the iq statistics we have do not do this