Message from @4SidedTriangle

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2019-10-12 15:25:22 UTC  

proxy wars etc

2019-10-12 15:25:23 UTC  

Of which, will result in nuclear conflict if they happened

2019-10-12 15:25:25 UTC  

no no @Joshu

2019-10-12 15:25:34 UTC  

If the US got into a fight with china it would not be short term

2019-10-12 15:25:40 UTC  

Short term is Russia invading the Baltics and taking them within 2-3 weeks.

2019-10-12 15:25:46 UTC  

What is the timescale for short and long in your opinions though as you may be arguing about two different points

2019-10-12 15:26:04 UTC  

Either way, I think the metric is good

2019-10-12 15:26:11 UTC  

Short-term as most conflicts are last a year maximum, long-term more than that

2019-10-12 15:26:22 UTC  

Long-term is where you see mss mobilization

2019-10-12 15:26:23 UTC  

However if you look at page 29

2019-10-12 15:26:26 UTC  

And where this matters

2019-10-12 15:26:28 UTC  

You can see the overall scores

2019-10-12 15:26:30 UTC  

is that a year of combat or also post combat stabilisation?

2019-10-12 15:26:55 UTC  

Which take into account everything about a country

2019-10-12 15:27:44 UTC  

One thing I can say about that scale at least is that it shows how much the continentals need to up their game, bunch of pussys

2019-10-12 15:29:26 UTC  

Yeah this report is really dedicated to long-term conflicts

2019-10-12 15:29:55 UTC  

The UK is also the current leader in Portland's "The soft power 30 report 2018"

2019-10-12 15:30:08 UTC  

Up from 2nd in 2015

2019-10-12 15:30:23 UTC  

In soft power? I'd agree on that

2019-10-12 15:30:39 UTC  

It's one of the reasons in that report we are so powerful

2019-10-12 15:30:52 UTC  

this is quite interesting as a comparison to other european powers.

2019-10-12 15:30:53 UTC  

Our, culture and our diplomatic power

2019-10-12 15:30:53 UTC  

rAnK  1  |  sCOrE  100 – Despite its smaller national base, the uK is the most
geopolitically-capable and “well-rounded” of the European major powers. It has a robust
capability portfolio from which to draw in the years ahead, particularly as it navigates
withdrawal from the Eu. In terms of national instruments – in which it leads overall – it has the
largest diplomatic leverage and second-biggest military might (after Russia). It has the largest
military budget in the Eu, while the Royal navy, in terms of total displacement of large warships
and auxiliaries, is larger than the navies of france, Italy and Germany combined. However,
despite its inherent strengths, the uK needs to concentrate on developing a robust strategy in
the years ahead to cultivate and mobilise its overall capability, particularly if it is to realise the
vision of “Global Britain”.

2019-10-12 15:31:31 UTC  

"while the Royal navy, in terms of total displacement of large warships
and auxiliaries, is larger than the navies of france, Italy and Germany combined"

2019-10-12 15:31:34 UTC  

Important one

2019-10-12 15:31:40 UTC  

Global Britain = Empire now

2019-10-12 15:31:41 UTC  

When people start chatting about the RN being shit

2019-10-12 15:31:59 UTC  

yes we need more but it is still very formidable

2019-10-12 15:32:03 UTC  

especially with the new ships

2019-10-12 15:32:09 UTC  

Well in regards to actual combat vessels, it is

2019-10-12 15:32:19 UTC  

Still it's not quite on par with the two power rule we had before, and less relevant given the benefits of Air power.

2019-10-12 15:32:37 UTC  

Type-45's capabilities make al other contemporaries look like wet blankets

2019-10-12 15:33:07 UTC  

You have the Type-45 being able to track and engage 30+ targets at once

2019-10-12 15:33:21 UTC  

while contemporaries are stuck with single digits

2019-10-12 15:33:40 UTC  

It can act as flagship, control air groups

2019-10-12 15:33:47 UTC  

I don't dispute that, but 31 cheap aircraft..

2019-10-12 15:33:53 UTC  

Hypersonic anti-ship weapons

2019-10-12 15:34:01 UTC  

Missile barrages

2019-10-12 15:34:07 UTC  

It can track and engage at LEAST

2019-10-12 15:34:12 UTC  

Ballistic anti-ship missile threats

2019-10-12 15:34:19 UTC  

Fast-attack boat swarms