That's not in doubt here.

Thanks

So yeah

A surface ship is only detecting a sub first in a very limited number of circumstances

And they all require the sub to either be old as shit or incompetent as fuck

Or any combination thereof

As most subs are

*old*

There you have to remember that most surface passive sonar systems are less effective then their sub surface counterparts

Mainly due to self noise

And other requirements, true

They can't see behind them unless they have a towed array

Which most dont

Most subs do

They cant see behind them because of their own prop noise

Well, most modern ships have helicopters

With dipping sonar

Which are the scariest thing about them

To extend the detection range and to cover that issue right there

However they arnt deployed unless they hear the sub

and the sub can hear them

because big fucking slashing noise on water

Depends at what layer the submarine is at

If it's below the thermal layer or not

However aircraft are the scariest things to subs

Other subs are probably the most scariest thing

Nope

Aircraft

Thats what I have been talk to a sonarman

They can pop up anywhere

subs at least travel slow

Most Soviet submarines were being followed by NATO subs during the cold war.

Tracked em right out of their ports

Which goes back to what I said about russia and poor maintenance

they started quiet got loud

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/jess-phillips-to-consider-bid-for-labour-leadership-a4260066.html

https://twitter.com/sheryllmurray/status/1183027954584039424

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/12/voters-will-have-show-casting-ballot-prevent-electoral-fraud/

I'm actually pleased to hear this

what about people without a driving license or passport?

Scrounge up 34 quid and get a provisional license...