Message from @Nathan James 123

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2019-10-16 13:42:56 UTC  

*Continue to fail*

2019-10-16 13:42:59 UTC  

people in the 900s or so had a better work life balance than us now

2019-10-16 13:43:08 UTC  

being a peasant was based

2019-10-16 13:43:16 UTC  

Wholesome life tbh @Death in June

2019-10-16 13:43:24 UTC  

Nathan, what specific subject(s) are required in order to be allowed to vote?

2019-10-16 13:43:26 UTC  

Why should you be allowed to vote Nathan?

2019-10-16 13:43:40 UTC  

that main issue in those days was poor medical technology and malthusian traps, i think

2019-10-16 13:43:40 UTC  

No specific subjects. You just need to complete college level education @Crafty

2019-10-16 13:44:02 UTC  

Id say no age restriction, but either propertied or service sufferage.

2019-10-16 13:44:03 UTC  

I mean all people for selective suffereage ALWAYS include themselves

2019-10-16 13:44:06 UTC  

I have over a college level education, I'm over the age and I'm a land owner @Joshu

2019-10-16 13:44:13 UTC  

Because they are selfish that way

2019-10-16 13:44:17 UTC  

And want their own way

2019-10-16 13:44:22 UTC  

If we were going to do something other than raw age

2019-10-16 13:44:22 UTC  

@Nathan James 123 those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, taking away people's belief that they can change the system non violently won't stop them from trying to change the system.

2019-10-16 13:44:36 UTC  

That is the only reason to want to gerrymander the system in that way

2019-10-16 13:44:44 UTC  

It's the same as those wanting illegals to be able to vote

2019-10-16 13:44:51 UTC  

Education sufferage is litteraly institutionalist technocracy

2019-10-16 13:44:57 UTC  

Or, required national service

2019-10-16 13:44:57 UTC  

It's just because their ideas suck and can't get support

2019-10-16 13:45:00 UTC  

That's another good requirement

2019-10-16 13:45:03 UTC  

So throw their toys out of the pram

2019-10-16 13:45:16 UTC  

So you're actually vested in the country and have actually worked for your ability to vote

2019-10-16 13:45:26 UTC  

I do quite like that, but I doubt the government will bring back national service

2019-10-16 13:45:31 UTC  

maybe property requirements for voting made more sense before the concentration of capital that we've seen starting in the late 19th century

2019-10-16 13:46:00 UTC  

Anyway I'm gonna get because to work

2019-10-16 13:46:04 UTC  

Back*

2019-10-16 13:46:07 UTC  

i'd prefer to have it split between workers, soldiers, and familial councils that meet face to face

2019-10-16 13:46:11 UTC  

@Death in June capital has always been concentrated

2019-10-16 13:46:21 UTC  

with executive power being shared between them and an undemocratic authority

2019-10-16 13:46:30 UTC  

not like it is now

2019-10-16 13:46:32 UTC  

Buisness ownership being a requirement seems fair, if we are talking about breaking up the massive governmental power structures that allow megacorps to grow as large as they have for as long as they have

2019-10-16 13:46:53 UTC  

Regardless, there needs to be more limits on whom can vote

2019-10-16 13:46:53 UTC  

prior to the civil war for example the vast majority of americans were self-employed

2019-10-16 13:47:00 UTC  

it wasn't even really a capitalist country then

2019-10-16 13:47:19 UTC  

because wage labor wasn't a big fixture of the economy

2019-10-16 13:47:30 UTC  

due to the diffuse ownership of capital

2019-10-16 13:47:38 UTC  

Wage labor via contracting is already becoming a thing now

2019-10-16 13:48:08 UTC  

If the regulations that keep small businesses down are broadly removed it would skyrocket.

2019-10-16 13:48:38 UTC  

it's not in the interests of those who initially win market competition to allow competitors to usurp them

2019-10-16 13:50:06 UTC  

Which is why they use government to pull up the ladder behind them. Which is where we are now so at worst we would be back to square one