Most libertarian critiques are grounded in realiry

Not many Libertarians believe in a Utopia

but i mean both are just a body that wields force barring you from doing something involving a certain thing

one is an idea and the other is a physical object

They don't propose anyway to achieve Utopia

They simply want more freedom

And i don't think anyone believes Freedom alone makes a place a Utopia

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a lot of people have been tricked into thinking, economic freedom = personal freedom

When in reality economic freedom just causes your government to be bought out by corporations who have that global mindset. Then the private companies themselves can restrict freedom.

Usually that happens after the government restricts buisnesses giving those corporations effective oligopoly over industries

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184508027728257025

Well that is inevitable because the corporations use their wealth to achieve that.

A lot of people are iggnorant of positive and negative freedoms @UnScottable

There will always be the backdoor dealings

Correct

you could maybe ensure it with some sort of enlightened absolutist figure

An ultra free market prevents long term oligopolies from sustaining themselvse.

but that was tried in chile and it was pretty horrible

possibly but they will die eventually @Death in June

or they could also be corrupted by wealth

well

generally an autocrat can't really be bought out, at least not by domestic powers

because they can take whatever they want barring a coup or revolution

There are other ways to get them though

such as blackmail

If you are referring to pinochett chille did pretty well, it went from the third lowest to seccond highest South/centel American gdp per capital during his tenure.

money is just one of the many ways it can go wrong... thats why i have an issue with entrusting things to one individual like that... <:thinking_clown:590855640268668928>

i don't think that's true

chile grew at a slightly below average rate for latin america

and the real income of most chileans actively shrunk over time

not in relative terms but in absolute terms

GDP isnt the best marker for quality of life though

homelessness skyrocketed

chile did really well after the aylwin administration unfucked it

the idea of distributism really intrigues me

but it sort of seems like something thats impossible to achieve

the problem is that centralized control over resources is more or less a reality for any society that wants to stay competitive

industrial strength translates quite heavily to military strength

especially when you look at china as one of those competitors on the global stage

china is set to overtake the us in industrial capacity pretty soon i think