Message from @Death in June

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2019-10-16 15:56:52 UTC  

Well if they adopt the liberal, tolerant mindset then they are liberal and tolerant

2019-10-16 15:57:08 UTC  

There's no such thing as modern liberalism

2019-10-16 15:57:35 UTC  

There is only classical liberalism, and that is a philosophy that holds as first and foremost the pursuit of individual liberty

2019-10-16 15:57:51 UTC  

It was never about what actions you or the state should take

2019-10-16 16:15:41 UTC  

Which is the political philosophy where violating copyright is the worst thing ever?

2019-10-16 16:16:10 UTC  

French

2019-10-16 16:22:12 UTC  

libertarianism @Hiddenhope

2019-10-16 16:28:54 UTC  

Wtf

2019-10-16 16:29:05 UTC  

Libertarianism doesn't believe in copyright at all

2019-10-16 16:29:19 UTC  

Copyrights are a government institution

2019-10-16 16:36:41 UTC  

Well they do, since copyright are a protection for personal and intellectual property

2019-10-16 16:42:13 UTC  

A lot of libertarians Don't belive in a public police force either

2019-10-16 16:44:25 UTC  

Libertarians are as retardedy utopian as communists in many ways

2019-10-16 16:45:28 UTC  

intellectual property is similar to regular property

2019-10-16 16:45:37 UTC  

the main difference is that the former is reproducible and harder to defend

2019-10-16 16:45:39 UTC  

Except public police hasn't existed for most of human history

2019-10-16 16:45:43 UTC  

@Eccles False

2019-10-16 16:46:03 UTC  

Most libertarian critiques are grounded in realiry

2019-10-16 16:46:16 UTC  

Not many Libertarians believe in a Utopia

2019-10-16 16:46:18 UTC  

but i mean both are just a body that wields force barring you from doing something involving a certain thing

2019-10-16 16:46:25 UTC  

one is an idea and the other is a physical object

2019-10-16 16:46:25 UTC  

They don't propose anyway to achieve Utopia

2019-10-16 16:46:31 UTC  

They simply want more freedom

2019-10-16 16:46:44 UTC  

And i don't think anyone believes Freedom alone makes a place a Utopia

2019-10-16 16:46:50 UTC  

^

2019-10-16 16:51:43 UTC  

a lot of people have been tricked into thinking, economic freedom = personal freedom

2019-10-16 16:53:16 UTC  

When in reality economic freedom just causes your government to be bought out by corporations who have that global mindset. Then the private companies themselves can restrict freedom.

2019-10-16 16:55:38 UTC  

Usually that happens after the government restricts buisnesses giving those corporations effective oligopoly over industries

2019-10-16 16:56:16 UTC  

Well that is inevitable because the corporations use their wealth to achieve that.

2019-10-16 16:56:33 UTC  

A lot of people are iggnorant of positive and negative freedoms @UnScottable

2019-10-16 16:56:33 UTC  

There will always be the backdoor dealings

2019-10-16 16:56:34 UTC  

Correct

2019-10-16 16:56:51 UTC  

you could maybe ensure it with some sort of enlightened absolutist figure

2019-10-16 16:56:57 UTC  

An ultra free market prevents long term oligopolies from sustaining themselvse.

2019-10-16 16:57:00 UTC  

but that was tried in chile and it was pretty horrible

2019-10-16 16:57:08 UTC  

possibly but they will die eventually @Death in June

2019-10-16 16:57:25 UTC  

or they could also be corrupted by wealth

2019-10-16 16:57:34 UTC  

well

2019-10-16 16:57:48 UTC  

generally an autocrat can't really be bought out, at least not by domestic powers

2019-10-16 16:58:01 UTC  

because they can take whatever they want barring a coup or revolution