Message from @UnScottable

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2019-10-16 17:16:15 UTC  

If by renew you mean destroy and replace

2019-10-16 17:16:17 UTC  

Then sure

2019-10-16 17:16:19 UTC  

Yep

2019-10-16 17:16:53 UTC  

right and thats what im getting at... is that the gov in china thinks that the chinese people sacrificing certain things for the national identity/national purpose of china is a good thing for their people as a whole

2019-10-16 17:17:02 UTC  

for their future generations. and also they like power

2019-10-16 17:17:37 UTC  

and many of the chinese also agree with this

2019-10-16 17:18:49 UTC  

Liberalism... liberal democracies... they sort of invert that idea. Positing that personal sovereignty/freedom is far more important then any proposed national purpose/identity

2019-10-16 17:22:28 UTC  

chinese agree with the CCP due to constant propaganda that starts at birth

2019-10-16 17:22:37 UTC  

The chinese would laugh at the later... and say "you mean becoming a multi-cultural society like yours? Because thats turning out so great isnt it? You guys cant even leave the EU <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586> "

2019-10-16 17:22:41 UTC  

And their culture is different

2019-10-16 17:22:43 UTC  

But so what?

2019-10-16 17:23:03 UTC  

what about Taiwan. how's that situation going to pan out

2019-10-16 17:23:19 UTC  

Hard to say

2019-10-16 17:23:25 UTC  

I'm not a cultural relativist, the modern Chinese culture sucks

2019-10-16 17:23:48 UTC  

China will likely bring them into their sphere

2019-10-16 17:23:53 UTC  

Through covert actions

2019-10-16 17:23:57 UTC  

Then again, I'm not sure

2019-10-16 17:24:27 UTC  

Taiwan is something like 95% stay independent

2019-10-16 17:24:40 UTC  

With like 4% saying they should retake china.

2019-10-16 17:25:12 UTC  

Their opinion of china ranges from negative to mixed

2019-10-16 17:25:37 UTC  

hmm idk... once the spirit of personal freedom is ignited in a society... its very very difficult to turn it around

2019-10-16 17:25:54 UTC  

Easily done through indoctrination from birth

2019-10-16 17:26:08 UTC  

right but you have to get to that point though... to begin with

2019-10-16 17:26:21 UTC  

and parents arent going to do that if they themselves also believe in personal freedom

2019-10-16 17:26:37 UTC  

Those that support the CCP can be given help from the mainland

2019-10-16 17:26:40 UTC  

So even if the taiwanese government was subverted by china

2019-10-16 17:26:41 UTC  

So they rise in the political system

2019-10-16 17:26:43 UTC  

the people would resist

2019-10-16 17:26:56 UTC  

now would they be successful?

2019-10-16 17:26:57 UTC  

idk

2019-10-16 17:26:58 UTC  

'The people' are docile, as every other 'peoples' in the West

2019-10-16 17:27:06 UTC  

eeehhh thats what you think

2019-10-16 17:27:10 UTC  

They believe what they're told to believe

2019-10-16 17:27:18 UTC  

>WMDs in Iraq.

2019-10-16 17:27:21 UTC  

the only reason why people are docile.... is cuz the grocery stores still have food in them dude

2019-10-16 17:27:31 UTC  

the power is still on

2019-10-16 17:27:35 UTC  

And why wouldn't they in Taiwan? <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

2019-10-16 17:28:00 UTC  

Subverting the Taiwan political system doesn't require those things to go away

2019-10-16 17:28:00 UTC  

lol

2019-10-16 17:28:02 UTC  

basically if the taiwanese gov was subverted and say... the internet was restricted or shut off

2019-10-16 17:28:07 UTC  

people would not be so docile...