when the fuck did I use the ‘but that was real socialism’?
these whole fucking thing has been me trying to figure out what you think is socialism.

Someone’s getting angry

No you literally used that argument

‘Why do you care about labels’ what are labels for?

@Geoffrey Socialism is where the state owns means of production and a central workers council

Like cmon man

It isn’t that difficult

Anarchist is complete opposite

Ok so let's try to take things from the top here.
USSR is not socialism. correct?

No

The idea was

^

Ussr was ass lmao

Execution especially under Stalin, fuck no

They tried to invade finland and failed

Pussy bitches

That was justified

USSR was very much state capitalism like China is today

To be fair

Ok so that I understood.
Now, yugoslavia started as socialism, but degenerated into authoritarianism. Correct?

During Tito it was socialist

No

Albania

Yugoslavia was market socialism

Yes but it was worker’s ownership of the means of production was it not

Where does that conflict with the market

It was but it was market because he allowed freedom of trade and some capitalist elements

Not as bad as China

But some

Ok so if you have markets, but worker ownership of the MoP. Is that socialism?

fuck this is boring.

Workers ownership of the means of production

Is socialism

At least in Marxist principle

I’m just done with this debate @Geoffrey you’re clearly not here to learn but to argue

And you seem to not get what we’re telling you

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So I have a bunch of enterprises competing in a maket with each other.
But they're each run by meetings with all the workers.
Is that socialism?

Yes it is a form of socialism

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No I'm just trying to understand what the fuck you consider socialism.
It's a fucking problem I have EVERY TIME I argue with socialists.
I've had some tell me "Of course the USSR was socialism. What the heck."
Others don't.
Some think NK is. Others don't.
And I have to go through this fucking process every time. it's so fucked.

And we’ve told you

Yet you continue to scream and curse