Where does that conflict with the market

It was but it was market because he allowed freedom of trade and some capitalist elements

Not as bad as China

But some

Ok so if you have markets, but worker ownership of the MoP. Is that socialism?

fuck this is boring.

Workers ownership of the means of production

Is socialism

At least in Marxist principle

I’m just done with this debate @Geoffrey you’re clearly not here to learn but to argue

And you seem to not get what we’re telling you

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So I have a bunch of enterprises competing in a maket with each other.
But they're each run by meetings with all the workers.
Is that socialism?

Yes it is a form of socialism

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No I'm just trying to understand what the fuck you consider socialism.
It's a fucking problem I have EVERY TIME I argue with socialists.
I've had some tell me "Of course the USSR was socialism. What the heck."
Others don't.
Some think NK is. Others don't.
And I have to go through this fucking process every time. it's so fucked.

And we’ve told you

Yet you continue to scream and curse

I understand your frustration but that usually is because there isn’t really a universal definition of socialism

@Geoffrey you get that with how sectarian leftism is

Yea there’s more infighting on the left than debate with the right

It's a problem not only for me you know.
this fucking thing happens a lot in left/right debates. Well, economic left/right debates at least.

Yea again I get it

Socialism is very vast

You cannot just limit yourself to less than 100 years of its history and only one school of thought

That would be like me judging all Christians on the basis of what the Catholic Church does

Although I don’t mean to use religion as an analogy for obvious reasons lol

>there’s more infighting on the left than debate with the right
I see this on the right a lot as well.
I can't say it's more than the time we spend arguing with the left but I don't think socialists have an ideia of how much infighting goes on.
you have ancaps vs state capitalists vs fascists vs nazis
And then fascists have mussolini vs salazar
And then ancaps have their own shit
and then they start trying to decide if race-mixing is wrong or not
and then they start trying to decide if christianism is jewish or not
and it's so fucking fucked.

^

I used to be far right and it’s like that

Yep same

But again I feel unless you’re a retard centrist it’ll always be like that

Wether the holocaust happened or not...
Wether women should vote or not...
Wether Islam is based or not...
etc etc

I didn’t say that this infighting doesn’t exist on both the left and right btw

Funny thing is hitler liked Islam

I din't think you did.

Yet most Nazis today hate it

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yes I know hitler liked Islam that's one of the reasons the debate comes up.

Just that compared to debate between the left and right is scarce comparative to the infighting that occurs

Yes

Didn’t say you didn’t

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you'd be surprised as to how many nazis actually like it

This is the most productive conversation I've ever seen on this server.