Message from @Cake

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2019-05-15 08:02:13 UTC  

Ok I'm still reading Critique of the Gotha Program (I've also been reading a lot of definitions for terms on marxists.org and doing other stuff). I know I will probably sound like an idiot when talking about this stuff but can someone help me out here.

I'm pretty sure something about this text I've typed out is wrong (probably capitalists making commodities rare through control of the means of production, maybe I'm even confusing 'value' for 'use-value') but I don't know *why* I'm wrong. I feel really stupid because I haven't studied economics in depth since school so forgive me if this sounds really dumb.

>The use-value of an item generally doesn't increase.
>Capital is money that is used to buy a commodity and resell it at a higher value.
>Normally value only increases when items are rare.
>However through capitalists owning the means of production for the commodity they can artificially make this item rare and increase it's value.

2019-05-15 08:04:27 UTC  

I feel like a baby taking my first steps into the world lol

2019-05-15 08:04:44 UTC  

holy shit you think gotha is baby steps

2019-05-15 08:04:50 UTC  

yeah lol

2019-05-15 08:04:54 UTC  

I get a lot of it

2019-05-15 08:05:06 UTC  

But I think maybe I'm trying to go too fast.

2019-05-15 08:05:09 UTC  

most people dont read past manifesto

2019-05-15 08:06:02 UTC  

Really what I typed out didn't even come up from Gotha. It came from me reading stuff on marxists.org.

2019-05-15 08:06:51 UTC  

yeah

2019-05-15 08:07:50 UTC  

I can't even imagine being a borderline illiterate peasant 100 years ago and trying to understand this stuff lol

2019-05-15 08:07:50 UTC  

although the commodity isnt always resold at a higher value

2019-05-15 08:08:23 UTC  

well the thing about communism is that something like it would have occured anyway just as marx predicted

2019-05-15 08:08:37 UTC  

class antagonisms are inherent in capitalism

2019-05-15 08:10:49 UTC  

heres a good summary of capitalism as a system proposed by marx

2019-05-15 08:10:52 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/578132176630186003/unknown.png

2019-05-15 08:11:22 UTC  

oh shit thanks

2019-05-15 08:11:53 UTC  

remember that a crises can occur if anyone of these functions fails in some way

2019-05-15 08:12:00 UTC  

with ramifications down the line

2019-05-15 08:15:22 UTC  

Man this picture is exactly what I've wanted

2019-05-15 08:16:16 UTC  

I've been contemplating drawing the relations between all these things out on some paper but this picture already did it for me (and it did it in an accurate way unlike how I would have done it).

2019-05-15 08:17:45 UTC  

Is that image from a youtube video?

2019-05-15 08:18:02 UTC  

It sort of looks like it from the red line at the bottom.

2019-05-15 09:49:36 UTC  

"free gifts of nature "

2019-05-15 09:49:38 UTC  

lmao

2019-05-15 09:49:45 UTC  

this is so cringe

2019-05-15 09:50:06 UTC  

also vallue increases or decrease with the workers productivity

2019-05-15 09:50:59 UTC  

When you say "sold at a higher vallue" you exluse vallue increase, when you handle someting transport package etc , the vallue increases

2019-05-15 09:51:41 UTC  

that image exludes propaganda cost and social engineering cost

2019-05-15 10:17:44 UTC  
2019-05-15 13:43:47 UTC  

I am a ponywoof!

2019-05-15 14:36:46 UTC  

Prove it

2019-05-15 14:37:02 UTC  

I will personally see to it that cloppers cease to exist

2019-05-15 14:38:33 UTC  

sup neerrdsss

2019-05-15 14:38:41 UTC  

Though it might be expensive your remains will then be liquefied and launched into space with enough velocity to escape orbit

2019-05-15 14:39:11 UTC  

Tainted clopper atoms must be removed from the cycle of life altogether

2019-05-15 14:57:26 UTC  

ur mom

2019-05-15 14:57:35 UTC  
2019-05-15 14:57:55 UTC  

Wtffffffffff

2019-05-15 14:58:08 UTC  

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2019-05-15 15:10:29 UTC  

Soviet imperialism?