Haha

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@.... I agree. I think "microagressions" are a perfect example of how the left has gone from helping disenfranchised groups advance to using shame/guilt tactics (which ironically means they focus on the whites/straights/males rather than the groups they are supposed to be helping advance).

@Santa Claauz
I believe we'd actually make more progress on debating real issues if we just got rid of these trivial degenerates from the platform first.

Do you believe there is a difference between how the old left saw advancement of minority groups and the new "idpol"

Or is any focus on a group besides the working class just a form of idpol

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hey comrades

@Santa Claauz
I've noticed that there has been in fact a change. It used to be that the Left debated over the economic and moral efficacy of exclusive property claims. Now it's been hijacked by entitled edgy wannabe narcissists who care about nothing more than their ego and self-gratification.

@not_matt Welcome to our community!

thx =- )

@Santa Claauz any leftist who doesn't do economics is a fake fuck

idpol focus isn't leftism

its a social power play.

@not_matt
Preach!

@.... I think we all agree about that end.

But I'm curious what people here think about minority rights movements.

I've noticed there's a growing NazBol movement going on here which makes me curious as to the line between nationalism and "idpol"

(the flip side to that is any leftist who isn't inter sectional in opposing oppression is also wrong)

nationalism is right idpol

@not_matt that's the exact balance I'm trying to get at ^^^

Nazbol isn't growing it's a joke.

Because "NazBol Gang" sounds hilarious. Even just phonetically.

Like, the Sharks, the Jets, the NazBol Gang... WATCH OUT!

well here's my take. liberation is primarily an economic, material endeavor. if people are stolen from by capitalists, they are oppressed- full stop. if they are also encumbered by racial, gender, or sexuality bias, they are oppressed in an additional manner. but to liberate the blacks, gays, women, trans, etc, you FIRST have to free them from capitalist exploitation, because that includes ALL of them, not just one individual group.

@Santa Claauz
Well this is a very diverse group. Not sure if you were told this yet, but I'm an anarcho-capitalist actually, so my approach, means, and end might differ altogether.

But with that being said, to the extent of my knowledge I am convinced that the whole minority rights movement is completely bogus in this age and even deliberately skewed against white people. More specifically, white males. This is coming from a Filipino American citizen, and I haven't seen any level of favoritism on the basis of race anywhere in the US...with the exception of blacks and Hispanics.

i'd disagree with it being "deliberately" skewed

@not_matt
Well you got affirmative action.

but porky uses that racial anger and pits working class against working class

i mean, affirmative action wouldn't be necessary if schools were funded equally instead of by property taxes.

@not_matt
I'm probably going to make a thread about this but basically I've noticed that my own community (very small minority) focuses a lot on "educating people about our culture" which in effect has been a bunch of bitching to white people about the discrimination we face.

In my view there is a difference between this (idpol) and still taking active measures against discrimination. @not_matt

@not_matt DUDE EXACTLY. THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE MISSES ON AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

thats an example of porky pointing racial anger in a direction where it serves as economic oppression

WE NEED AFF ACTION vs AFF ACTION IS REVERSE RACIST instead of hey lets educate everyone equally instead of based on where they grow up

@Santa Claauz
Well, this _is_ where my ethics diverge altogether, since I advocate exclusive claims.

when ur school is worse based on growing up in a poor area, you get cyclical poverty 🆒

@Santa Claauz "Or is any focus on a group besides the working class just a form of idpol" This. At best it focuses on a subset of class opression, which might be useful, but at risk of focussing on the effects not the cause, which can also be counterproductive.

@not_matt
Ah, I just had a discussion with my commie friend a while back on the Poverty Cycle.

@not_matt but basically the point I'm trying to make us that I believe there is a difference between what my community does (bitching about discrimination to white people and blabbing on about how tough we have it) and what I believe we should do (taking active measures to build our OWN community in order to actually fight discrimination.

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What's your take on this? Isn't there a difference? Or are both idpol

well i agree

Ah, but racism can be philosophical. Interpersonal racism definitely seems to correspond with poverty and porky propaganda, but there's also simply having a racist belief system.

bitching about discrimination is defeatist in a way

highlighting oppression, if the oppression in question concerns it in all forms, can't be a bad thing.... but community building is better

actively fighting >>>> bitching as well no matter what