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those people ignore oppression. people who only idpol or engage in essentialist bullshit ignore oppression. fuck em

@Santa Claauz If you wanted to take idpol to the extreme, every individual is a separate identity. The oppression they experience is specific to them. But this oppression is measurable, scientifically, objectively, not subjectively. The focus of idpol on the subjective experience is where it fails. To temptation to classify individuals together is a subjective trick. In reality everything is material, specifically, according to the proximity to the means of production, which is why only this analysis matters. Idpol is at best spinning tires while it does not address this.

So what would you say to the point that @not_matt brought up about blacks being the main victims of for profit prisons and such

Focussing on 'blackness' is only useful in statistical analysis. Action based on this subset is arbitrarily.

can you rephrase that, im not quite sure i get you

I think this is probably true. But I think I'd agree with Zielwhatsit if he's saying black people should be included and assisted along class lines rather than pitied along race ones.

if you are saying that, zielgerat, i'd agree. we have more in common than we don't regardless

I agree as well. But I think it's important to at least recognize that it's no coincidence that the main victims of private prisons are Black

Yes.

Realizing that reality allows us to examine and learn from the socioeconomic conditions that led to such a thing.

As an arbitrary group, yes. But why is Blackness so special? Why not birth date etc.?

Because they've been singled out and alienated as a group to the benefit of porkies.

Ignoring that reality leaves us in the same position as the Rightwingers (with our fingers in our ears)

Speaking of birthdate, though - ageism is a legit issue that's underaddressed in my opinion. But it's getting deeper down the rabbithole, too.

Can you imagine an analysis on the most oppressed birthday? You could also say they are 'singled our and alienated'.

@Deleted User do you believe people born in October are disproportionately imprisoned?

Is there any historical or social precedent for that, Ziel?

They're not. But blacks are. That's the difference.

Plugging our ears to this fact leaves us as blind and deaf as the Rightwingers

@John Doe Intention is not a predictor of result.

What if both are present?

Welcome to /leftypol/ a low-moderation channel. Feel yourself free here.

Like if I want to go and rob somebody and then I do it, isn't there a connection?

Sup niggas

Ey Bat'ko.

@Santa Claauz I am not 'plugging my ears'. I am accepted it as true. But I am saying there is nothing special about this subgroup. Out there, somewhere in the world, is a person or group arbitarily sleceted, that is more oppressed than any other. With enough data you could find it. But then what?

Stop it, fight poverty, spread lit.

Have you every played wack-a-mole?

@Bat'ko welcome, brother!

It's not easy, from what I understand.

The difference is that blacks exist as an actual community with an actual history not an arbitrarily selected coincidence.

@Santa Claauz Only subjectively.

But the existence of the interactions isn't subjective.

Agreed @John Doe

In other news has anyone read The Green Book or is in anyway familiar with the philosophy of Gaddafi's Libya (the Jamahiriya)

I can't believe it but I'm actually beginning to align with his ideas (even though I thought I was so unique lol).

@John Doe Playing wack-a-mole, you are predetermined to lose. You need a wider strategy than hitting one mole at a time. Or even several. The whole is greater than the sum of parts.

@Santa Claauz libya was the poorest country when gaddafi took over, and africa's richest country when he left....

"left" lmao

@John Doe And the framing of these interaction is arbitrary.

@Santa Claauz Kaddafi theory is syndicalism, muslim religion and social-democracy. Kaddafi surely been a great comrade and a leader of the left. But look at the results of his theory! He got crushed by Imperialism in the end.

@not_matt I know right! But I'm just so shocked to find a political system that basically fits exactly with me!