who has worked for it

And the worker is not the collective?

"to each according to his contribution" is socialism

the worker is part of the proletariat in capitalism

No the collective in the ideal communist society

yes

And there is no bourgeois?

in communism it's "to each according to his needs"

there isn't bourgeois in socialism or communism

Each according to his contribution sounds like a trade or merit system more than socialism

If there is no bourgeois then who controls production?

the state/the workers

If the workers are the proles then they do not control production

in the USSR they were owned publicly

wtf is this?

The state controlling the production makes the state the bourgeois

in anarchist projects they were owned by the workers directly (Self-management)

@Cosmetic Hey that avatar is my waifu hands off

yeah uhhhhhh

no

nah

she mine monica

the state doesn't extract surplus value, if something taxes

Get your grubby hands off my anime waifu

it's a step towards communism

no communism

otherwise they couldn't defend themselves

bad bad

@Cosmetic Johaness trying to survive being Fascist in our chat.

only capitalism so my Jewish grandparents can get rich 😃

:))))

If they cannot defend themselves without a state and the state is the temporary bourgeois then how do they defend themselves in communism?

gulag for them

Who runs the gulag?

workers do it

COMMUNISTO

@Cosmetic He didn't read the convo so he's calling me a fascist TBH

the state isn't bourgeois

it serves the proletariat

in marxism-leninism the state means violence

it serves a class or another one