Message from @Deleted User

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2017-05-21 23:24:35 UTC  

I should rephrase, what kind of decision making should not be guided by science?

2017-05-21 23:25:28 UTC  

there could be some zones in the territory that would prefer to pay for having this thing or another one

2017-05-21 23:25:31 UTC  

for example

2017-05-21 23:25:44 UTC  

I agree it should be guided by science when possible

2017-05-21 23:25:58 UTC  

So you are saying, if we are 100% ignorant, which is not the case, but if we were, we should use consensus, but then once we have science why not abandon consensus in favour of science?

2017-05-21 23:27:25 UTC  

I agree when it's 1+1=2

2017-05-21 23:27:41 UTC  

What if others do not agree?

2017-05-21 23:27:47 UTC  

What if they are the majority?

2017-05-21 23:28:07 UTC  

then people has done such a bad educational work

2017-05-21 23:28:34 UTC  

and maybe the judges, the minority, are judging in a bad way and are pseudoscientific thinking that they're scientists

2017-05-21 23:28:55 UTC  

they already were educated

2017-05-21 23:29:16 UTC  

and thinking that only a minority has scientifical reason in this is an imposition

2017-05-21 23:29:55 UTC  

I never said, only the minority have scientific reason, I said that the best minds should have authority.

2017-05-21 23:30:38 UTC  

You are assuming an unprecedented scenario, where every person is a genius of equal intellect.

2017-05-21 23:30:53 UTC  

Let's say that people can do basic math

2017-05-21 23:31:06 UTC  

if it's too advanced, the best minds could explain it to the people

2017-05-21 23:31:09 UTC  

in a way they can decide

2017-05-21 23:31:33 UTC  

politics has values

2017-05-21 23:32:10 UTC  

Assuming this were possible, why bother if the outcome will be the same because there is only 1 correct answer, objectively.

2017-05-21 23:32:14 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/315995234435858432/C7DlWQhWwAAvV0k.png

2017-05-21 23:33:24 UTC  

Sure, educate people to the best of our ability, but do not, yet, rely on them to make the correct decision.

2017-05-21 23:33:51 UTC  

because if for some reason the delegate isn't doing what we agreed, we can overthrow that person violently or legally

2017-05-21 23:34:02 UTC  

it avoids "revisionism"

2017-05-21 23:34:23 UTC  

otherwise the delegates have a spirit for themselves

2017-05-21 23:34:39 UTC  

Why not just point to the incorrect teaching?

2017-05-21 23:35:13 UTC  

yes, but who will point it out and who will listen?

2017-05-21 23:36:03 UTC  

The authority will point it out with intellectual reasoning. And if they are corrupt, then the contradictions can be easily pointed out.

2017-05-21 23:36:23 UTC  

the authority is the corruptible one

2017-05-21 23:36:31 UTC  

the contradictions aren't so easiliy pointed out

2017-05-21 23:36:35 UTC  

see Khruschev

2017-05-21 23:36:49 UTC  

there can be protestors but the people when they don't know the problems could ignore it

2017-05-21 23:36:50 UTC  

and let them pass

2017-05-21 23:36:51 UTC  

The majority is incorruptible?

2017-05-21 23:37:33 UTC  

the people has to decide the fate

2017-05-21 23:37:42 UTC  

they're not the ones who can be corrupted

2017-05-21 23:38:01 UTC  

If an authority works against the interests of the collective, objectively, then there may be grounds for new revolution, because they have become the new bourgeoisie.

2017-05-21 23:38:17 UTC  

It is inevitable.

2017-05-21 23:38:34 UTC  

people don't notice it when they don't know about it

2017-05-21 23:38:45 UTC  

this is happening in every country now

2017-05-21 23:39:06 UTC  

and I don't see how the USSR prevented this; a few people may realize it

2017-05-21 23:39:30 UTC  

What are you talking about? Don't you agree that socialism is inevitable?