Message from @Blebleh

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2017-05-21 23:20:40 UTC  

but after it we don't have to do again the law

2017-05-21 23:20:44 UTC  

change the government, etc.

2017-05-21 23:20:54 UTC  

because we already agreed and learned from it

2017-05-21 23:21:12 UTC  

in other cases, there could be supermajorities

2017-05-21 23:21:35 UTC  

Assuming you made the correct discussion, which you cannot know because you care more about consensus than authoritative truths.

2017-05-21 23:21:36 UTC  

and in irreconciliable cases factions

2017-05-21 23:21:55 UTC  

no

2017-05-21 23:22:10 UTC  

scientifical truths doesn't depend on democracy

2017-05-21 23:22:24 UTC  

this is built on the platform in a pre-revolutionary phase

2017-05-21 23:22:51 UTC  

but after it, what people don't know if it's truth or not; what we have to agree

2017-05-21 23:22:58 UTC  

What kind of truth is not scientific?

2017-05-21 23:22:59 UTC  

this is other thing

2017-05-21 23:23:30 UTC  

in politics?

2017-05-21 23:23:44 UTC  

it depends a lot on the environment and the circumstances

2017-05-21 23:24:20 UTC  

we don't have laboratory conditions

2017-05-21 23:24:35 UTC  

I should rephrase, what kind of decision making should not be guided by science?

2017-05-21 23:25:28 UTC  

there could be some zones in the territory that would prefer to pay for having this thing or another one

2017-05-21 23:25:31 UTC  

for example

2017-05-21 23:25:44 UTC  

I agree it should be guided by science when possible

2017-05-21 23:25:58 UTC  

So you are saying, if we are 100% ignorant, which is not the case, but if we were, we should use consensus, but then once we have science why not abandon consensus in favour of science?

2017-05-21 23:27:25 UTC  

I agree when it's 1+1=2

2017-05-21 23:27:41 UTC  

What if others do not agree?

2017-05-21 23:27:47 UTC  

What if they are the majority?

2017-05-21 23:28:07 UTC  

then people has done such a bad educational work

2017-05-21 23:28:34 UTC  

and maybe the judges, the minority, are judging in a bad way and are pseudoscientific thinking that they're scientists

2017-05-21 23:28:55 UTC  

they already were educated

2017-05-21 23:29:16 UTC  

and thinking that only a minority has scientifical reason in this is an imposition

2017-05-21 23:29:55 UTC  

I never said, only the minority have scientific reason, I said that the best minds should have authority.

2017-05-21 23:30:38 UTC  

You are assuming an unprecedented scenario, where every person is a genius of equal intellect.

2017-05-21 23:30:53 UTC  

Let's say that people can do basic math

2017-05-21 23:31:06 UTC  

if it's too advanced, the best minds could explain it to the people

2017-05-21 23:31:09 UTC  

in a way they can decide

2017-05-21 23:31:33 UTC  

politics has values

2017-05-21 23:32:10 UTC  

Assuming this were possible, why bother if the outcome will be the same because there is only 1 correct answer, objectively.

2017-05-21 23:32:14 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/315995234435858432/C7DlWQhWwAAvV0k.png

2017-05-21 23:33:24 UTC  

Sure, educate people to the best of our ability, but do not, yet, rely on them to make the correct decision.

2017-05-21 23:33:51 UTC  

because if for some reason the delegate isn't doing what we agreed, we can overthrow that person violently or legally

2017-05-21 23:34:02 UTC  

it avoids "revisionism"

2017-05-21 23:34:23 UTC  

otherwise the delegates have a spirit for themselves

2017-05-21 23:34:39 UTC  

Why not just point to the incorrect teaching?

2017-05-21 23:35:13 UTC  

yes, but who will point it out and who will listen?