Message from @OF-8

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2017-05-24 03:44:22 UTC  

The state serves the people under the DotP.

2017-05-24 03:44:22 UTC  

the people were not served under Stalin

2017-05-24 03:44:24 UTC  

yeah, the indians werent exacly 'people' to the british

2017-05-24 03:44:26 UTC  

Yes they were.

2017-05-24 03:44:34 UTC  

typical economic warfare

2017-05-24 03:44:35 UTC  

that's why so many Ukranians starved

2017-05-24 03:44:39 UTC  

@Sorghagtani Beki At the price of what?

2017-05-24 03:45:22 UTC  

partitioning of poland

2017-05-24 03:45:23 UTC  

@OF-8 The point is that a totally preventable famine happened a decade after the holodomor under Churchill and his colonization and exploitation over India. he caused it. Under Stalin famines were completely eradicated by the policies of the communist party.

2017-05-24 03:45:26 UTC  

So, you're going to tell me the existence of kulaks, droughts, crops being burned and cattle being killed didn't happen and it was all either deliberate or a bureaucratic error?

2017-05-24 03:45:32 UTC  

he is nothing but a man working for his own image

2017-05-24 03:45:33 UTC  

>partitioning of poland

2017-05-24 03:45:35 UTC  

he rules through a character

2017-05-24 03:45:38 UTC  

Oh yes, I'm sure the Polish jews were so sad they were saved from concentration camps by the soviet union.

2017-05-24 03:45:42 UTC  

@Deleted User this is about to happen again in india, btw

2017-05-24 03:45:46 UTC  

To get individual realisation, first you need collective realisation.

2017-05-24 03:45:49 UTC  

You haven't read the treaty

2017-05-24 03:46:05 UTC  

Yes, I'm sure that the Polish really enjoyed having the soviets form an agreement with the Nazis to take half the country

2017-05-24 03:46:06 UTC  

Right, well in case you didnt notice the Holodomor was the *last* famine to strike the Soviet Union, ever.

2017-05-24 03:46:14 UTC  

While under capitalism we still have famines, all over.

2017-05-24 03:46:19 UTC  

> : To get individual realisation, first you need collective realisation. <--- this is dead fuck wrong

2017-05-24 03:46:19 UTC  

Killing millions, every single year.

2017-05-24 03:46:22 UTC  

@Sorghagtani Beki You have literally no idea what you're talking about

2017-05-24 03:46:25 UTC  

this is the problem

2017-05-24 03:46:27 UTC  

Totally preventable if we distributed resources correctly.

2017-05-24 03:46:29 UTC  

Read the treaty before speaking

2017-05-24 03:46:30 UTC  

Dear Trotskyists

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/316783997390684161/B-GZRgWIUAAXo86.jpg

2017-05-24 03:46:32 UTC  

SNIPPETY SNAP U VIOLATED THE NAP

2017-05-24 03:46:56 UTC  

By the way

2017-05-24 03:47:28 UTC  

The molotov-ribbentrop pact was FORCED on Stalin because the fucking Allies wanted to be friendly to Nazi Germany.

2017-05-24 03:47:36 UTC  

because the cryptojew stalin couldnt wait to murder ethnic russians

2017-05-24 03:47:41 UTC  

TBH

2017-05-24 03:47:48 UTC  

He had literally no other choice because the wonderful UK and France refused his offer of an anti-fascist pact.

2017-05-24 03:48:00 UTC  
2017-05-24 03:48:33 UTC  

The clauses of the Nazi-Soviet Pact provided a written guarantee of non-belligerence by each party towards the other, and a declared commitment that neither government would ally itself to, or aid, an enemy of the other party. In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Romania, into German and Soviet "spheres of influence", anticipating "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries. Thereafter, Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939. Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin ordered the Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 September; one day after a Soviet-Japanese ceasefire at the Khalkhin Gol came into effect.[6] In November, parts of the Karelia and Salla regions in Finland were annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. This was followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and parts of Romania (Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina, and the Hertza region). Advertised concern about ethnic Ukrainians and Belarusians had been proffered as justification for the Soviet invasion of Poland. Stalin's invasion of Bukovina in 1940 violated the pact, as it went beyond the Soviet sphere of influence agreed with the Axis.[7]

2017-05-24 03:48:43 UTC  

>wikipedia

2017-05-24 03:48:57 UTC  

Brackman, Roman The Secret File of Joseph Stalin: A Hidden Life (2001) p. 341

2017-05-24 03:49:25 UTC  

The Soviets -- "Stalin", to use a crude synecdoche (= "a part that stands for the whole") -- did not do this out of any love for fascist Poland. The Soviets wanted a Polish government -- ANY Polish government -- as a buffer between the USSR and the Nazi armies.

The utter betrayal of the fascist Polish Government of its own people frustrated this plan.

As far as the rest of the world was concerned, the Polish government had two alternatives in the event its army was smashed by an attacking army.

1. It could stay inside the country, perhaps moving its capital away from the invading army. From there it could have sued for peace, or surrendered.

2. The Polish government could have fled to an allied country that was at war with Germany: either France or England.

The governments of all other countries defeated by Germany did one or both of these things. The Polish government -- racist, anticommunist, hyper-nationalist, -- in short fascist, as bad as they get -- didn't do either. Rather than fight the Polish government fled into neighboring Rumania.

Rumania was neutral in the war. By crossing into neutral Rumania the Polish government became prisoners. The legal word is "interned". They could not function as a government from Rumania, or pass through Rumania to a country at war with Germany like France, because to permit them to do that would be a violation of Rumania’s neutrality, a hostile act against Germany.

2017-05-24 03:49:49 UTC  

Collective realisation is a prerequisite of individual realisation.

2017-05-24 03:49:57 UTC  

No.