or confirm a concerned disposition

So many opinionated people .

On that topic.

It is interesting that many people cannot say anything about Obama's motives

but that is a result of political apathy, and blind opinion

many liberals may try to ignore criticism

many conservatives in america may assume things

It has nothing to do with discussion on Stalin

@Sorghagtani Beki What is your opinion on Stalin?

I feel that he had good motives, but so does everyone

When looking at Stalin, you have to examine the cost of his goals

and those costs were too high

those costs would have been avoided if Lenin was leader

@Sorghagtani Beki Anarchists shot Lenin. What can we do?

even Trotsky would have been a better choice

@Sorghagtani Beki But nobody picked him.

and Lenin specifically was against Stalin

@Sorghagtani Beki Party accepted Stalin's program and kicked out Trotskie.

out of rashness

we know how the party criticized stalin afterwards

@Sorghagtani Beki After many years of discussion on Trotskie vs Stalin.

and how they applauded Khruschev's bitter criticisms of him

the communist leaders were heavily against Lenin's NEP

that may be why

Stalin was particularly critical of it

they lacked the patience

@OF-8 "the system i have works, provably works" You mean financially through mechanisms of exploitation.
It would be a deadlock if you had a rational framework for your assertion, but you only have opinion and what looks like contradiction. But I would not expect much else from an idealist. Good chat.

@Sorghagtani Beki Trotskie was an outcast long before he was kicked out. Small percent of Party backed him up.

we should examine why Stalin was supported

and in my belief it is because, like many other communist leaders, he wanted to rush socialism

@Sorghagtani Beki Because of the program.

He made a plan.

For all.

his plan cost too many lives

@Sorghagtani Beki lives do not matter.

let me ask you, if lenin had been alive and in power, would they have been lost?

and perhaps, in your opinion, may the soviet union still exist?

@Sorghagtani Beki We do not know. It is history.

Lenin understood that there had to be temporary compromise with capitalism

and he cannot be called a capitalist pig after all he had done

others were too impatient