What is this "higher stage"

Scroll up. It is economic emancipation and freedom from exploitation.

Define freedom

I've heard a myriad of descriptions from
>NOT CAPITALISM
to
>mutual anarchaic collectivism

I can just as easily save up money and start a business as most everyone else, that's not exploitation.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

@Deleted User I said 'freedom from' as in, absence from oppressive force of

@Aidan Oy vey stop being such a national socialist!

Exploitation is stealing the surplus labor of working people. also lol

And who owns the means of production?

If I own a business and hire people am I exploiting them?

yes

@Deleted User The proletariat, which becomes everyone.

How so?

So do you consider any commune that has existed communist?

You are stealing their surplus labor value. That is, the worth of the labor they produce is what you would profit from, yet you require them to create wealth. You steal their labor, and contribute nothing to it

@Deleted User No. Only USSR up until Khrushchev then there was revisionism and decline.

That sounds like an unjust trade rather than thievery

Maybe Albania and a few others.

How am I stealing it? If they voluntarily agree to work for me knowing the parameters of them working for me how is that wrong?

>voluntarily

>USSR up to Kruschev
You consider THAT a dictatorship of the proletariat?

If I'm not forcing them to then its voluntary they don

It's not voluntary. They need money to survive

@Deleted User All successful Socialist states follow the Soviet model, Marxist-Leninism

have to choose me

@Deleted User Yes, the best model of it.

The question as to whether one is forced to take up a job or not is a red herring always

^^

Communists fall for it the most

And just did

They don't last though, they stagnate and collapse. @Deleted User

ill take a step back here then, let you guys handle this

@Deleted User Lasted long enough to transform USSR into a superpower, oh, and that's after crushing 80% of the Wehrmacht.

It still didn't even last into the 21st century, in the end it failed.

If you don't work you go to Gulag.

@Deleted User
>The USSR
>A successful SOCIALIST state
There were classes, there were bourgeois.
The government officials and the bureaucrats were elevated/venerated in that society, not the workers. The workers were at most nominally appreciated yet they were treated poorly especially in the beginning.

I would just say you don't eat and save the resources but whatever. @Deleted User

the ussr is not some infallible thing

@Deleted User So? This is just the beginning. The Battering Ram has just reached the gates. Communist theory is ongoing.

It has failed, Communism is in decline while Fascism is on the rise the future power is clear.