>understand system well enough to make positive change

I didn't apostatize, but I'm not

>become socialist stooge instead.

"Hey girl, are you a school? Cause I want to shoot schools inside fo you"~a faggot I know

How are you not a Christian without apostatizing?

I became socialist after being atheist; after a time of being atheist

In Tengriism your body reaches heaven if one of 3 things happen to it

1. Burn

2. Bury

3. Feed birds at gravesite

Because I'm atheist in my mind

I don't need to be recognized by the catholic church

they're just papers

So what does that mean to you?

They could use me as statistic

For saying there are certain number of catholics

That's not answering my question.

What does it mean to you?

Atheist, huh? Please refute Aquinas' First Mover argument, so I can sleep at night.

It means that I lack belief in religion

@Blebleh give it a shot.

Shoot down the first mover.

http://dhspriory.org/thomas/Compendium.htm#3

Who moved the first mover?

Many Christians I think do not follow their religion effectively

This is true.

and those people are not Christians.

that can be said about every religion though

Nothing, the first mover is immovable. See following paragraph.

well

That is the same ineffectiveness as not worshipping Tengri at all

maybe almost all of them

Why can't it emerge from something that has been eternal?

Or, why has it to be a god with certain characteristics instead of nature?

Time, in the universe, had a beginning. What type of thing can make time? Physicists say that there was 'quantum potential' in the beginning, which gave rose to time.

I don't know advanced physics, do you think god could be outside time and space?

It has to.

If God is the first mover he has to be.

God, in this context, is immovable, or not subject to time and space, otherwise he would need further explanation. In the beginning, somewhere, there has to be a first mover, to make the first motion possible in the universe.

Chapter 4 goes over the immobility of God