What makes you think that, Firefly?

How do you know what motion is if you do not measure it?

it does not exist without an abstraction. If nobody to think about case it does not exist in abstraction.

I remind that Earth makes rotatory movements

and we don't ask if it's god anymore, right?

So reality is not broken into case and effect.

Reality is uniform

Free of abstraction

Blebleh I think you're assuming that if someone believes in a God they believe that everything is directly caused by him.

Abstraction is made by the brain only

How do you know that reality is uniform if you do not measure it? Is this another abstraction?

I don't reject that there could be a casuality for what we know; neither do I reject an infinite. The calification of instruments seems to me spooky

How is it wrong though?

@Deleted User You do not make abstractions in the place where they don't belong.

And it becomes uniform.

'Reality is uniform' I need to know more.

@Firefly can you recommend the book you read this from

Sounds interesting

@Deleted User Reality is not broken into things that people use to think.

People use abstractions because they give benefits.

Helping organize thought.

reality is not broken by abstractions itself. You need to use your brain to do that. So case is the creation of the brain

Nothing to do with universe

Or its existance

I think this argument of casuality can be used with God too

and so on

In an Absolute sense, reality is just totality, yes. But then it becomes impossible to say anything about it without using abstractions.

@Firefly Do you have a book list

why can't it be something natural?

If something had to move God then the first mover cannot be God.

Is it that difficult to understand?

Tengri is natural

@Deleted User yes, but it is not reality that follow abstractions. It is abstractions that follow reality. And in the case of first mover is opposite.

then god would be the father of who created us?

Such is the nature of all theory.

We can never reach an Absolute understanding of reality.

God is the father of everything. The First mover.

@Mongke Khan#2673 http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/91080.Introduction_to_Marxism_Leninism

Thanks

ok then we could find the origin of our universe and still ask for who created it and so on

until there's nothing