There is no proof, so just let people worship how they wish, whatever brings them most happiness in reaching Tengri

Elaborate on them, @Blebleh

Well, it doesn't need to be proven. God exists for your to believe with faith, not to beleive just because it's proven.

Firefly is right. Let me unpack a little here to help understand the logical framework. The evidence shows that the universe expanded (moved) from a single point. Given our current understand of physics this causes a problem because you can only regress so far. Eventually motion stops. That is the current state of science. So why did the energy of the universe go from no motion, to motion? What kind of thing can do that? That's where Aquinas' argument comes in.

Tell me why god allows all the misery in earth, in the end what they say is that god gave us free will

but this contradicts god being omnipotent and good

Why would it?

Because he made us in a defective way

Tengri is not necessarily working for good of man

He is there for man to reach out to if they wish

>The evidence shows that the universe expanded (moved) from a single point.

That is not true

It is questionable and discussed.

the god-particle theory remains a theory

I am not saying science is Absolutely correct in its abstractions about reality. I am basing the weight of the argument on what the pinnacle of science says so far.

First, there is the belief that God is all good, all powerful, and all just.
When man was created, he was given free will, with that free will man was given the choice to follow God or forsake him. From man's disobedience to God evil came into the world. It would then be unjust for God to undo that which is man's mistake because that would mean that God is absolving responsibility for man's actions.

@Deleted User You realize there is a lot of physic theories that do not support it?

It looks like you just accept it

In Christianity man is judged by the actions of his forefathers.

One of the theories

original sin

@Firefly Really? Because the alternatives have been shown to be wrong.

Without question

@Deleted User Which alternatives?

String theory?

Multiverse?

This is true, sin became a part of man's nature due to his disobedience.

10 dimentions theory?

don't you think that it's contradictory then?

Personally I do not agree with this idea of original sin, but whatever Tengri believes works for the west, very well

he made us this way

When they got disproved and by who?

The Christian God is omnipotent and knows if someone will go to heaven or hell

Therefore an all good god would not let anyone be born who would go to hell

God would be unjust if there was no way for man to be absolved of his original sin. Fortunately, that is not the case, becuase God sent his son to face the punishment man deserved so they could avoid damnation.

@Firefly No. Like I just said, evidence shows the universe is expanding from a single point. Scientists have tried for 50 years to discredit this, and failed. Their alternatives, like 'bounce theory', and 'uneven expansion' have all been shown to be wrong.

The Christian God sent Christ to the Levant

that isn't a good god

This is a biased God if this is the supreme God

a god that judges the humans who aren't guilty

@Deleted User That is questionable