Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

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2017-06-11 04:51:06 UTC  

Both within the book and outside.

2017-06-11 04:51:21 UTC  

Thomas Aquinas gives no proof. He argues for first mover, which I also agree with.

2017-06-11 04:51:28 UTC  

Except I replace the Christian God with Tengri.

2017-06-11 04:51:42 UTC  

It isn't proof but it is logically consistent

2017-06-11 04:51:59 UTC  

Thomas gave 5 arguments, not just first mover.

2017-06-11 04:51:59 UTC  

Which is the closest thing to proof on such matters

2017-06-11 04:52:10 UTC  

if there was proof

2017-06-11 04:52:14 UTC  

It is not logically consistent that an all-powerful and all-good god would discriminate based on geography and is weak enough to need men to spread his ideology.

2017-06-11 04:52:15 UTC  

then you wouldn't have faith

2017-06-11 04:52:15 UTC  

The Argument from Contingency
(1) Everything that exists contingently has a reason for its existence.
(2) The universe exists contingently.
Therefore:
(3) The universe has a reason for its existence.
(4) If the universe has a reason for its existence then that reason is God.
Therefore:
(5) God exists.

2017-06-11 04:52:17 UTC  

Also the arguments for God aren't the sum total of his writings.

2017-06-11 04:52:24 UTC  

and there for belief would lose it's value hugely.

2017-06-11 04:52:31 UTC  

I agree God exists.

2017-06-11 04:52:37 UTC  

No question about that. The God is Tengri.

2017-06-11 04:53:09 UTC  

@Sorghagtani Beki challenge your belief and read this book fam. It's not very long http://dhspriory.org/thomas/Compendium.htm

2017-06-11 04:53:22 UTC  

If I read it and became Christian I would still be Tengriist.

2017-06-11 04:53:25 UTC  

@Sultan Baibars#2673 wrong. Perun does not approve.

2017-06-11 04:53:39 UTC  

Are...

2017-06-11 04:53:43 UTC  

Oh my goodness.

2017-06-11 04:53:46 UTC  

Well if you became a Christian then you'd be saved.

2017-06-11 04:53:56 UTC  

If I became Christian I would still be Tengriist.

2017-06-11 04:54:01 UTC  

Nothing would change.

2017-06-11 04:54:21 UTC  

How... Does your brain not funcition correctly?

2017-06-11 04:54:32 UTC  

Do you know any of the doctrine of Christianity?

2017-06-11 04:54:38 UTC  

Christianity means believing in the Christian God ONLY and not puttig any others before him.

2017-06-11 04:54:46 UTC  

Also, following his comands there of.

2017-06-11 04:55:04 UTC  

It also means you believe in Christ

2017-06-11 04:55:11 UTC  

^

2017-06-11 04:55:41 UTC  

If you are a Tengriist no matter what, what does it even mean? Seems like a superfluous idea.

2017-06-11 04:55:43 UTC  

Christian Logic:

2017-06-11 04:55:53 UTC  

It means nothing

2017-06-11 04:55:53 UTC  

1) God is all powerful, which is why he needs robed men to spread his religion

2017-06-11 04:55:56 UTC  

I think we're slowly pushing Chopin toward being religious tbh

2017-06-11 04:56:19 UTC  

hes not a christian?

2017-06-11 04:56:24 UTC  

Slavic gods are first gods. https://youtu.be/NvWjn4zBBPs

2017-06-11 04:56:34 UTC  

2) God is all good, which is why he discriminates based on geography and does not allow those the chance for paradise who never hear about his religion, whether it is because they came beforehand or it is because his weak robed men failed to spread it to them.

2017-06-11 04:56:43 UTC  

It's complicated.

2017-06-11 04:56:49 UTC  

Hey @Firefly direct me to some of that slavic theology please

2017-06-11 04:57:38 UTC  

(The few of this band's songs that are purely Christian without any satanist/general metal hints ar eactually pretty good, take a listne to this one.)

2017-06-11 04:57:39 UTC  

We already establish that Limbo exists.