Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

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2017-06-15 07:02:02 UTC  

???

2017-06-15 07:02:06 UTC  

I'm not arguing two people on different topics at the same time

2017-06-15 07:02:09 UTC  

Wait your turn

2017-06-15 07:02:20 UTC  

I am stating that sometimes people believe in something before is has been 'proven' by reason. It is therefore possible to resemble truth through emotion, a hypothesis formed by intuition.

2017-06-15 07:02:54 UTC  

Sometimes people believe in things that are later proven

2017-06-15 07:02:58 UTC  

That's just confirmation bias

2017-06-15 07:03:05 UTC  

It says nothing about whether it is true

2017-06-15 07:03:10 UTC  

If I was some guy in 1000 ad

2017-06-15 07:03:16 UTC  

For some reason my emotions told me germs exist

2017-06-15 07:03:25 UTC  

I can't reasonably claim they exist without proof

2017-06-15 07:04:02 UTC  

There is some intuitive wisdom in emotion.

2017-06-15 07:04:05 UTC  

That's called confirmation bias

2017-06-15 07:04:18 UTC  

That's called a gamble gone right

2017-06-15 07:04:24 UTC  

A gamble

2017-06-15 07:04:36 UTC  

Nothing else

2017-06-15 07:04:45 UTC  

Right now I can also assume Tengri exists

2017-06-15 07:04:48 UTC  

Or Allah exists

2017-06-15 07:04:56 UTC  

While others claim other gods exist

2017-06-15 07:04:59 UTC  

Based on faith alone

2017-06-15 07:05:05 UTC  

One person will be right

2017-06-15 07:05:28 UTC  

There's no reason why you should gamble

2017-06-15 07:05:33 UTC  

That's not reason

2017-06-15 07:05:37 UTC  

That's called placing bets

2017-06-15 07:05:45 UTC  

There are two realities: your internal reality, and an external reality

2017-06-15 07:06:14 UTC  

The only one that you can prove exists, prove to yourself I mean, is your internal one.

2017-06-15 07:06:39 UTC  

Because guess what even if my emotions told me germs exist there are probably thousands of other claims that other things exist from faith and emotions

2017-06-15 07:06:45 UTC  

You have a point. Emotions cannot make empirical claims. I have made a categorical error.

2017-06-15 07:06:55 UTC  

How do I know who's correct? At this point let's say no one knows if germs exist

2017-06-15 07:06:59 UTC  

You see the problem

2017-06-15 07:07:04 UTC  

You're assuming that you're the right one

2017-06-15 07:07:16 UTC  

You're assuming you're the guy who gambled and found out about the existence of germs

2017-06-15 07:07:20 UTC  

Right now you have no clue

2017-06-15 07:07:24 UTC  

Neither did the germ guy

2017-06-15 07:07:25 UTC  

You can see a bacterium in a microscope, but you can't prove that it's not in illusion or that you're not just in the Matrix

2017-06-15 07:07:28 UTC  

I have to abandon that God is an empirical claim.

2017-06-15 07:07:54 UTC  

You assume you're the correct one, the miraculous germ guy, when in actuality *you have no clue if you're not just one of the millions of people who are wrong*

2017-06-15 07:08:07 UTC  

That's called bias

2017-06-15 07:08:29 UTC  

God is a phenomenon. A psychological reality that actually affects the outcome of history.
Therefore, God as an idea has power to influence the external world.

2017-06-15 07:08:50 UTC  

any idea can influence the external world

2017-06-15 07:08:56 UTC  

Are ideas real?

2017-06-15 07:08:59 UTC  

Yes.