Message from @Seal
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>you HAVE to be paid less
Is that wrong in on itself?
nothing is "wrong", but it is against your material interests
it's a time preference thing, getting a part of your labor now instead of all of it later
employer invests money now to get his gains later
employee works now to get money now
but the employee could also work now to get all his labors worth now
well, he cant in our society but that's the point
I don't how that's a real problem
Suppose a company is making 1bn in excess
and they pay you 200k a year while you do minimal to no work
They still are profiting insanely due to their product success and the employees get paid insane amounts BUT according to marxist theory, they are getting paid for "less"
I think that line of reasoning is similar to this one:
Imagine these scenarios: you punch someone, you slap, you push his face, you gently touch his face
It starts from extreme violence to simply touching him
But in marxist line of reasoning, all of those is like a punch
It's more conceptual, if what you are being paid is good, then you can have a wealthy life
say no if you are a white supremacist or say yes if you are not a white supremacist
gud
what we are talking about here is the marxist sense of exploitation, and I'll try to explain it the best I can.
people say that ceo's get more money than the workers
They do
but i say that workers get less money than the ceos
:>
They do as well
people say funny things
but i say things funny
what is your ideology
communist
?
I'm not a communist but I do like the scandinavian system and it's social policies
so democratic socialist?
sure
k
social democrat8
not socialist
All what a company sells/gets money from must be from the labor of it's workers. In other words, the source of the revenue is that of the worker. In order for profits to exist, and for giving employers a reason to employ he workers, the wages must be worth less than that of the workers's labor
there is no way the worker cannot gett full compensation from his labor if the idea of profit exists
Hey everyone
o/
now ofc this three-line explaination written by someone who hasn't read too much marx will have holes in it
also this is alone not much of an argument for socialism, but it is one of the things that marx build his arguments on
You believe that it is unacceptable that workers get paid less than the "boss"?
it's not that the workers gets less than the boss, it is that he doesn't get what me makes
let's say that the boss also works in his company and is incredibly productive
then in some sort of "moral" solution, he should still be given more since his labor is worth more
the argument is not that of equality
if you want to use this as an argument for socialism and changing the system into one where people do get his labor's worth, you will have to go further