Message from @Sampuka
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but i say things funny
what is your ideology
a
communist
?
I'm not a communist but I do like the scandinavian system and it's social policies
so democratic socialist?
sure
k
social democrat8
not socialist
All what a company sells/gets money from must be from the labor of it's workers. In other words, the source of the revenue is that of the worker. In order for profits to exist, and for giving employers a reason to employ he workers, the wages must be worth less than that of the workers's labor
there is no way the worker cannot gett full compensation from his labor if the idea of profit exists
Hey everyone
o/
now ofc this three-line explaination written by someone who hasn't read too much marx will have holes in it
also this is alone not much of an argument for socialism, but it is one of the things that marx build his arguments on
You believe that it is unacceptable that workers get paid less than the "boss"?
it's not that the workers gets less than the boss, it is that he doesn't get what me makes
let's say that the boss also works in his company and is incredibly productive
the argument is not that of equality
if you want to use this as an argument for socialism and changing the system into one where people do get his labor's worth, you will have to go further
so if the owner of a factory makes 100
pays the workers 30 and the operating cost is 20, he makes a 50 profit for himself
you'd argue he's spread his profits to the workers so he makes as much as the workers?
well no, I want there not to be a owner
to abolish the employer/employee relationsship
And the reason you want that is because of the profit/salary/worker issue?
or are there more reasons
labour alienation
well more or less yeah
labour alienation can happen even in a collectivelly owned factory, no?
there are some things that springs out from that issue that should also be mentioned like labro alienation
it can
I think
I'm not very well versed in marx sadly
at least not as much as I would want to be
@Deleted User I will have to leave you for now, thanks for talking
sure buddy
later
@Deleted User also last point; someone advocating for changing companies into coops (kinda what I've been doing) is called a market socialist. If you want to know more about this you can find Richard D Wolff on youtube and an example of such a system in large scale would be Mondragon in Spain