Message from @Sampuka
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A lot of communists are in reality just bored bourgeoisie
>the majority are bourgeosie
this must be a misunderstanding of some definition
Hopefully
not at all
unless you're unaware that the people here are all in the 1% in terms of how rich they are
you wouldn't be so eurocentric to not think of people outside the Eu right?
obviously people in holland are compared to the rest of the world very rich
but this doesn't make you bourgeoisie
what makes one bourgeoisie?
everyone here is materialistic as fuck
simple definition is: you are bourgeoisie if you own some means of production which you use to buy labor power
means of production can be fx a factory
how about being a self employed plummer?
tehn you aren't
why not? you can set all the pipes by yourself
or is the pipe maker the baddy?
yes, but you don't use it to buy labor power
there doesn't have to be a baddy if people work for htemselves
You can if you're successful enough
more or less
Most people who do well for themselves end up employing other people
Why is that bad?
I'm not saying it's bad
i'm saying it is against the material interests of te employee
Well the dutch fellow said he'd revolt against them
you can revolt without introducing morals
Haven't seen it happen in history, a revolution completely devoid of any morality
that is correct
but you don't have to introduce morals in order to want to revolt
an actual revolution will be a movement of people
I think it's always there, you don't have to inject it
people have morals
well, if we're talking pure economics, which we started by doing, there are no morals
capitalism will move to socialism like feudalism moved to capitalism
economic theories don't introduce morals
right, but people seem more focused on the oppression vs oppressor thing than an actual economic model
To say that's not a big part of it isn't fair imo
that is true and it's a result of people not being without morals as you yourself said
ofc revolutions use moral arguments