but they also use economic

I generally like to seperate them

You might be able to, but I know how revolutions go

Sounds fun until people get killed for simply having employees

well feudal lords got killed simply by having serfs

and we celebrate that today

rightfully imo

serfs only had to pay 25% taxes, funny fact, compare it to now

the class relation between serf and feudal lord is comparable to that of employee/employer

and slave/slavemaster

The angle I come from is more libertarian, changing what it is now with a communist dictatorship(which it almost always is) is simply a slight of hand

I understand the want to distance from USSR-like societies

I don't think many people want that back

maybe some russian nationalists

but it's not like the dictatorship was something unforseen that happened without anyone seeing it coming

russia under the tsar consisted of mainly illiterate peasants so they didn't even attempt democracy

at least not democracy as we know it

Did the original revolutionaries have democracy in mind at all?

iirc there was some local democracy, but the big things were done by the state

not on a state level

russian revolutionaries that is

in europe they probably had

but those failed mostly

That spooks me though

The people who implemented communism failed hard on that front

And I don't see how you could do it any other way

They'd get voted out at the first famine

it's not like it was the leaders' fault the famines happened

Well when you kill those who own the farms because they're bourgeoisie

they called the kulaks as it is technically incorrect to call them bourgeoissie

and they are as far as I know also to blame for the famines

along with bad weather

and just a badly industrialized country

Why would they want the famines?

They make money off of mkaking food

they make money off of selling them

which is an important difference

they owned the wheat so they controlled hte supply

if nothing was done they'd just sit on it until people began starviving and would pay a lot

The famine didn't happen because they hogged the wheat did it

partly I believe