there's entrepeneurship in mutualism too

but that's not capitalism

market socialism too

You can easily make a new government if you have the support and resources.

Which would probably be followed by a civil war with the current government

no you can't, not unless some other country sells you a part of their land completely

which they never will

@Timo))) please define capitalism for us, honestly

"freedom"

@Timo))) land is just whoever has power, you can fight the government

Freedom for the capitalist and not the people lol

though you'd probably lose since there's a reason it's the government

not that hard, the freedom to persue capital in whatever way you want, as long as it complies with the law, lower taxes and less regulations have a positive effect on it

maybe the word state would be better

how do you define capital?

hoarded resources?

The people can become capitalists in a capitalist society

If you call it hoarded sources sure

I'm going in 5, too much on discord

well, then what's the major difference from other modes of production like feudalism?

this is very clear in my definition

yeh I'll be leaving soon too hopefully

There the state has the resources, they can change the law to suit them, a company in capitalism cannot make those laws

in feudalism the state doesn't have the resources, local feudal lords does

protected by the state

same in capitalism

not to the same extent

companies which have capital is protected y the state

And those companies could be replaced by newer companies if it was easier to start new companies

But the current system stands in the way with ridiculous regulations

I mean protected as in litterally protected

If I try to take the capital the police comes

@Timo))) https://socialistworker.org/2009/03/04/marxs-vision-of-socialism

I'll read that

It's related.

I'm glad you wanted to be civil rather than some autistic memer.

I respect it.

honestly I've found a good amount of civil open people here

Yeah those are no good, I don't talk to communists/socialists often, pretty fun

relatively good amount anyways

better than an echo chamber I sometimes go into\