Message from @Poet the Bush

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2017-07-06 17:40:39 UTC  

Howver the governments adds all sorts of blockades on those companies (mostly smaller ones)

2017-07-06 17:41:11 UTC  

the governemt is a part of the mode of production, in fact it is what defends and upholds the mode of production

2017-07-06 17:41:14 UTC  

They've been doing it more and more, government hardly ever gets smaller, now we have big govermment

2017-07-06 17:41:21 UTC  

saying the state is not a part of capitalism is pretty dumb

2017-07-06 17:41:26 UTC  

lol no

2017-07-06 17:41:31 UTC  

that's a big part of the anarchist argument anyway

2017-07-06 17:41:34 UTC  

You can't start a new government

2017-07-06 17:41:39 UTC  

You can start a new business

2017-07-06 17:41:45 UTC  

The government is a different animal

2017-07-06 17:41:53 UTC  

entropeneurship is not capitalism

2017-07-06 17:42:00 UTC  

Yes it is

2017-07-06 17:42:05 UTC  

it's very often a part of capitlism

2017-07-06 17:42:09 UTC  

at least in the first world

2017-07-06 17:42:15 UTC  

more so than in any other system yes

2017-07-06 17:42:19 UTC  

You can start a new government.

2017-07-06 17:42:25 UTC  

yes, but htat doesn't make something capitalism

2017-07-06 17:42:39 UTC  

more freedom for your business is more capitalistic

2017-07-06 17:42:46 UTC  

there's entrepeneurship in mutualism too

2017-07-06 17:42:52 UTC  

but that's not capitalism

2017-07-06 17:42:56 UTC  

market socialism too

2017-07-06 17:42:59 UTC  

You can easily make a new government if you have the support and resources.

2017-07-06 17:43:14 UTC  

Which would probably be followed by a civil war with the current government

2017-07-06 17:43:20 UTC  

no you can't, not unless some other country sells you a part of their land completely

2017-07-06 17:43:24 UTC  

which they never will

2017-07-06 17:43:24 UTC  

@Timo))) please define capitalism for us, honestly

2017-07-06 17:43:44 UTC  

"freedom"

2017-07-06 17:43:45 UTC  

@Timo))) land is just whoever has power, you can fight the government

2017-07-06 17:43:52 UTC  

Freedom for the capitalist and not the people lol

2017-07-06 17:44:01 UTC  

though you'd probably lose since there's a reason it's the government

2017-07-06 17:44:42 UTC  

not that hard, the freedom to persue capital in whatever way you want, as long as it complies with the law, lower taxes and less regulations have a positive effect on it

2017-07-06 17:44:43 UTC  

maybe the word state would be better

2017-07-06 17:45:02 UTC  

how do you define capital?

2017-07-06 17:45:06 UTC  

hoarded resources?

2017-07-06 17:45:06 UTC  

The people can become capitalists in a capitalist society

2017-07-06 17:45:18 UTC  

If you call it hoarded sources sure

2017-07-06 17:45:42 UTC  

I'm going in 5, too much on discord

2017-07-06 17:45:46 UTC  

well, then what's the major difference from other modes of production like feudalism?

2017-07-06 17:45:52 UTC  

this is very clear in my definition

2017-07-06 17:46:10 UTC  

yeh I'll be leaving soon too hopefully

2017-07-06 17:46:15 UTC  

There the state has the resources, they can change the law to suit them, a company in capitalism cannot make those laws

2017-07-06 17:46:33 UTC  

in feudalism the state doesn't have the resources, local feudal lords does