Message from @Deleted User

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2017-07-17 05:30:26 UTC  

t. khrushchev

2017-07-17 05:31:47 UTC  

There was also an attempted coup detat a few weeks ago in venezuela where a member of the government was dropping explosives from a helicopter.

2017-07-17 05:32:01 UTC  

*According to the venezuelian government

2017-07-17 05:32:25 UTC  

A coup isn't a TRUE and HONEST revolution maaan you have to murder people for a real revolution!

2017-07-17 05:32:51 UTC  

>smugly implying things are what they aren't via sarcastic flawed logic to prove your point

2017-07-17 05:33:11 UTC  

Over and over, people come here and misunderstand what Communism is supposed to be, and the predictions made by Marx which shows how society must move in this direction. Moving from Capitalism to Socialism is a tendency determine by economic relations and the resolving of the tensions between the classes.

2017-07-17 05:34:02 UTC  

~~I'm not even a leftist I'm just here to shitpost, what's a communism?~~

2017-07-17 05:34:10 UTC  

Otherwise you have to say that Capitalism is the end of history and will continue forever, and the contradictions between classes will continue like this. But nothing is forever, and tensions have to confront one another.

2017-07-17 05:34:37 UTC  

The question I always forget to ask

2017-07-17 05:34:44 UTC  

Is what will replace communism?

2017-07-17 05:34:59 UTC  

Capitalism is going to last for a long, long time, whether or not it will turn out in marx's favor is hard to say.

2017-07-17 05:35:01 UTC  

Space communism

2017-07-17 05:35:08 UTC  

Communism is a new phase of the relationship to production.

2017-07-17 05:35:16 UTC  

Economic freedom.

2017-07-17 05:35:21 UTC  

An end?

2017-07-17 05:35:24 UTC  

No.

2017-07-17 05:35:24 UTC  

@Deleted User I heard that socialism would.

2017-07-17 05:35:28 UTC  

Then the revolution is not a revolution

2017-07-17 05:35:30 UTC  

If it merely ends

2017-07-17 05:35:32 UTC  

But apparently it comes before now.

2017-07-17 05:35:53 UTC  

It just free people to progress without economic constraints and restraints imposed by the centralisation of capital.

2017-07-17 05:36:14 UTC  

But then why is the ideal so restrictive?

2017-07-17 05:36:22 UTC  

If you are going to free the market then what is going to stop capitalism from coming back?

2017-07-17 05:36:30 UTC  

Why are all men forced to live in certain ways in the commune?

2017-07-17 05:36:40 UTC  

Is not their labor capital in its own right?

2017-07-17 05:37:05 UTC  

@Deleted User He's talking the elimination of the market

2017-07-17 05:37:11 UTC  

As well as property

2017-07-17 05:37:22 UTC  

Though land/property still exists but is pooled

2017-07-17 05:37:55 UTC  

Though still, if you are going to free the ECONOMY, then what will stop capitalism from returning?

2017-07-17 05:37:55 UTC  

Capitalism is meaningless without the competition for resources. You will be free to pursue the perfect of yourself and your goals.

2017-07-17 05:38:09 UTC  

You cannot be free to do anything other than your function

2017-07-17 05:38:21 UTC  

Your function? What is my function?

2017-07-17 05:38:30 UTC  

In the hypothetical commune

2017-07-17 05:38:48 UTC  

Who said anything about a commune?

2017-07-17 05:38:49 UTC  

And good question

2017-07-17 05:39:01 UTC  

Who do you even ask in a communist system?

2017-07-17 05:39:25 UTC  

I did. Communism implies there is a *commune*

2017-07-17 05:39:32 UTC  

Socialism prepares society to enter into a communist society.

2017-07-17 05:39:58 UTC  

So, especially in the early phases, you might be required to work certain jobs.

2017-07-17 05:40:01 UTC  

Socialism being a transition state only is bollocks

2017-07-17 05:40:06 UTC  

@Deleted User Though I have heard numerous times that socialism comes after communism.