@PEWEX Try finding any "socialist" country where that happened.

USSR? China? Vietnam?

Means of production espeically now is a narrow qualification

It addresses nothing, and is too vague

The goal will never be reached that way

Stalin was the apex of practical socialism.

Not to mention Venezuela didn't even have a revolution.

>Stalinist Russia

>Workers owning anything

Hah!

@Deleted User He may have killed millions of people and preformed genocides, but at least the country lasted almost 100 years.

Moving towards socialism is just one step.

t. khrushchev

There was also an attempted coup detat a few weeks ago in venezuela where a member of the government was dropping explosives from a helicopter.

*According to the venezuelian government

A coup isn't a TRUE and HONEST revolution maaan you have to murder people for a real revolution!

>smugly implying things are what they aren't via sarcastic flawed logic to prove your point

Over and over, people come here and misunderstand what Communism is supposed to be, and the predictions made by Marx which shows how society must move in this direction. Moving from Capitalism to Socialism is a tendency determine by economic relations and the resolving of the tensions between the classes.

~~I'm not even a leftist I'm just here to shitpost, what's a communism?~~

Otherwise you have to say that Capitalism is the end of history and will continue forever, and the contradictions between classes will continue like this. But nothing is forever, and tensions have to confront one another.

The question I always forget to ask

Is what will replace communism?

Capitalism is going to last for a long, long time, whether or not it will turn out in marx's favor is hard to say.

Space communism

Communism is a new phase of the relationship to production.

Economic freedom.

An end?

No.

@Deleted User I heard that socialism would.

Then the revolution is not a revolution

If it merely ends

But apparently it comes before now.

It just free people to progress without economic constraints and restraints imposed by the centralisation of capital.

But then why is the ideal so restrictive?

If you are going to free the market then what is going to stop capitalism from coming back?

Why are all men forced to live in certain ways in the commune?

Is not their labor capital in its own right?

@Deleted User He's talking the elimination of the market

As well as property

Though land/property still exists but is pooled

Though still, if you are going to free the ECONOMY, then what will stop capitalism from returning?