Message from @carlton™

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2017-07-18 18:19:20 UTC  

Communist propaganda is supposed to be truth and nothing else.

2017-07-18 18:19:49 UTC  

I'm not saying it always is.

2017-07-18 18:20:00 UTC  

But the intention is there.

2017-07-18 18:20:44 UTC  

Propaganda is inherently untruthful and misleading.

2017-07-18 18:20:58 UTC  

That's right wing.

2017-07-18 18:21:10 UTC  

That's an arbitrary comparison to make.

2017-07-18 18:21:22 UTC  

A right-wing idealist might say right-wing propaganda is "supposed" to be the truth.

2017-07-18 18:21:39 UTC  

In practice, neither right-wing or left-wing propahanda is the truth because all propaganda is untruthful.

2017-07-18 18:22:02 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/336935666170593282/unknown.png

2017-07-18 18:22:07 UTC  

And that would be ok with me. Some objective idealists even can make it happen.

2017-07-18 18:22:07 UTC  

It's in the primary definition.

2017-07-18 18:23:15 UTC  

All people use propaganda

2017-07-18 18:23:19 UTC  

@carlton™ this is not Marxist or even left-wing definition.

2017-07-18 18:23:54 UTC  

Can you define that for me? I am not educated in communist rhetoric.

2017-07-18 18:26:45 UTC  

Propaganda is something made to make you shift your views, the producers of it care little for the actual truth. @Firefly

2017-07-18 18:27:05 UTC  

Marxist propaganda is basically a promotion of the scientific knowledge for under-educated masses.

2017-07-18 18:27:36 UTC  

That's what they all say.

2017-07-18 18:27:45 UTC  

@Deleted User what if you shift your views from idealism to materialism?

2017-07-18 18:27:54 UTC  
2017-07-18 18:28:03 UTC  

It is still shifting views.

2017-07-18 18:28:06 UTC  

Why would you have to use propaganda to educate people? Sounds to me like a convenient substitute for school that uses its legitimacy to quickly switch between a platform for education and a loudspeaker for party lies.

2017-07-18 18:28:13 UTC  

@Deleted User shifting into reality?

2017-07-18 18:28:13 UTC  

Everyone who wants reform, mate. @Firefly

2017-07-18 18:28:17 UTC  

No

2017-07-18 18:28:24 UTC  

Shifting views

2017-07-18 18:28:29 UTC  

That is all it is.

2017-07-18 18:28:47 UTC  

@Deleted User shifting religious views into science is bad?

2017-07-18 18:28:53 UTC  

You may believe it to be such, though that is only your view.

2017-07-18 18:29:12 UTC  

I don't believe so, no, though that is my view.

2017-07-18 18:29:12 UTC  

One view is true another is a lie.

2017-07-18 18:29:20 UTC  

Views are not equal.

2017-07-18 18:29:28 UTC  

Though, we can't say which is true.

2017-07-18 18:29:35 UTC  

Yes we can

2017-07-18 18:29:47 UTC  

We study the subject and make conclusions.

2017-07-18 18:29:54 UTC  

Though, have we?

2017-07-18 18:30:00 UTC  

Yes

2017-07-18 18:30:09 UTC  

Provide examples, please.

2017-07-18 18:31:11 UTC  

Provide examples for your own views, rather.

2017-07-18 18:31:37 UTC  

We came to the point where we as Marxists blame ourselves for USSR failure and the world reaction after studying and understanding our faults.

2017-07-18 18:31:49 UTC  

lol what is this faggot shit, "we know as a fact that the guy thought to live in a realm unbeknown to us doesn't exist"

2017-07-18 18:32:23 UTC  

Though, has Marxism actually gone into play? @Firefly