Eh, the last isn't exactly propaganda.

@Deleted User why not?

'Cause it's the truth.

Communist propaganda is supposed to be truth and nothing else.

I'm not saying it always is.

But the intention is there.

Propaganda is inherently untruthful and misleading.

That's right wing.

That's an arbitrary comparison to make.

A right-wing idealist might say right-wing propaganda is "supposed" to be the truth.

In practice, neither right-wing or left-wing propahanda is the truth because all propaganda is untruthful.

And that would be ok with me. Some objective idealists even can make it happen.

It's in the primary definition.

All people use propaganda

@carlton™ this is not Marxist or even left-wing definition.

Can you define that for me? I am not educated in communist rhetoric.

Propaganda is something made to make you shift your views, the producers of it care little for the actual truth. @Firefly

Marxist propaganda is basically a promotion of the scientific knowledge for under-educated masses.

That's what they all say.

@Deleted User what if you shift your views from idealism to materialism?

@Deleted User who?

It is still shifting views.

Why would you have to use propaganda to educate people? Sounds to me like a convenient substitute for school that uses its legitimacy to quickly switch between a platform for education and a loudspeaker for party lies.

@Deleted User shifting into reality?

Everyone who wants reform, mate. @Firefly

No

Shifting views

That is all it is.

@Deleted User shifting religious views into science is bad?

You may believe it to be such, though that is only your view.

I don't believe so, no, though that is my view.

One view is true another is a lie.

Views are not equal.

Though, we can't say which is true.

Yes we can

We study the subject and make conclusions.

Though, have we?

Yes

Provide examples, please.

Provide examples for your own views, rather.