Message from @Apache14

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2017-07-19 22:21:06 UTC  

mmm, parts of it were

2017-07-19 22:21:08 UTC  

The IRA and their variants 1969-onwards are

2017-07-19 22:21:10 UTC  

wasn't till later that they turned marxist

2017-07-19 22:21:11 UTC  

doesn't matter baby

2017-07-19 22:21:14 UTC  

we still support them

2017-07-19 22:21:25 UTC  

Connolly was very socialist

2017-07-19 22:21:46 UTC  

No he was not

2017-07-19 22:21:48 UTC  

Hahahaha

2017-07-19 22:21:52 UTC  

umm, yes he fucking was

2017-07-19 22:22:12 UTC  

"As a Socialist I am prepared to do all one man can do to achieve for our motherland her rightful heritage – independence; but if you ask me to abate one jot or tittle of the claims of social justice, in order to conciliate the privileged classes, then I must decline."

2017-07-19 22:22:18 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/337358518959210496/marx_engels_lenin_stalin_blair.png

2017-07-19 22:22:24 UTC  

He was very authoritarian

2017-07-19 22:22:46 UTC  

In his later years, not as socialist

2017-07-19 22:22:49 UTC  

really makes you think

2017-07-19 22:23:03 UTC  

>founded by james conolly

2017-07-19 22:23:14 UTC  

He fought along side non-socialists in the Easter Rising though

2017-07-19 22:23:14 UTC  

The Socialist who would destroy, root and branch, the whole brutally materialistic system of civilisation, which like the English language we have adopted as our own, is, I hold, a far more deadly foe to English rule and tutelage, than the superficial thinker who imagines it possible to reconcile Irish freedom with those insidious but disastrous forms of economic subjection – landlord tyranny, capitalist fraud and unclean usury; baneful fruits of the Norman Conquest, the unholy trinity, of which Strongbow and Diarmuid MacMurchadha – Norman thief and Irish traitor – were the fitting precursors and apostles.

If you remove the English army to-morrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organisation of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain.

2017-07-19 22:23:30 UTC  

there is absolutely no fucking doubt he was a socialist

2017-07-19 22:23:33 UTC  

Look at Fianna Fáil

2017-07-19 22:23:42 UTC  

The word socialist has been used very liberally before the cold war

2017-07-19 22:23:51 UTC  

yes, not all of the IRA was socialist, but Connolly was definitely a socialist

2017-07-19 22:23:57 UTC  

think of NatSoc and Ba'athist "Arab Socialism"

2017-07-19 22:24:05 UTC  

Easter Rising he didn't fight for a socialist cause

2017-07-19 22:24:10 UTC  

Ba'athism was during the Cold War

2017-07-19 22:24:15 UTC  

sects of Ba'athism were socialist, Natsoc was only in name though

2017-07-19 22:24:16 UTC  

Founded before it

2017-07-19 22:24:18 UTC  

It was more a "get the fuck out, UK" cause

2017-07-19 22:24:30 UTC  

gained power after it though

2017-07-19 22:24:39 UTC  

and their ideology substantially changed

2017-07-19 22:24:41 UTC  

anyways, it doesn't matter, scientific socialists have supported national liberation since Marx and beyond

2017-07-19 22:24:44 UTC  

This irish party never gained power

2017-07-19 22:24:47 UTC  

what matter does this make

2017-07-19 22:24:50 UTC  

I meant Ba'athism

2017-07-19 22:24:56 UTC  

i know

2017-07-19 22:24:57 UTC  

you only have to read up on Marx on the question of Irish liberation

2017-07-19 22:25:01 UTC  

well, which branch of Ba'athism matters, I guess

2017-07-19 22:25:05 UTC  

Look up Patrick Pearse

2017-07-19 22:25:25 UTC  

Historical context gives it the modern significance and nuance.

2017-07-19 22:25:27 UTC  

The whole thring was called Arab Socialism by its members and outsiders

2017-07-19 22:25:30 UTC  

Connolly fought along side Patrick