Message from @Apache14

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2017-07-19 22:24:47 UTC  

what matter does this make

2017-07-19 22:24:50 UTC  

I meant Ba'athism

2017-07-19 22:24:56 UTC  

i know

2017-07-19 22:24:57 UTC  

you only have to read up on Marx on the question of Irish liberation

2017-07-19 22:25:01 UTC  

well, which branch of Ba'athism matters, I guess

2017-07-19 22:25:05 UTC  

Look up Patrick Pearse

2017-07-19 22:25:25 UTC  

Historical context gives it the modern significance and nuance.

2017-07-19 22:25:27 UTC  

The whole thring was called Arab Socialism by its members and outsiders

2017-07-19 22:25:30 UTC  

Connolly fought along side Patrick

2017-07-19 22:25:37 UTC  

Just as Conolly called his party Socialist

2017-07-19 22:25:47 UTC  

I'm not saying he wasnt a socialist

2017-07-19 22:25:53 UTC  

but im saying name doesnt necessarily matter

2017-07-19 22:26:17 UTC  

yes, they fought together, but Connolly was obviously a socialist in what he wrote and what he supported

2017-07-19 22:26:38 UTC  

you can fight together for a cause and not agree with everything your bedfellows support

2017-07-19 22:26:41 UTC  

When fighting in the Easter rising he didn't fight for a socialist cause

2017-07-19 22:26:50 UTC  

I thought you meant what he fought for, I apologise

2017-07-19 22:27:23 UTC  

he was a republican and a socialist

2017-07-19 22:27:41 UTC  

he fought for an independent Irish Republic, but he wanted it to be socialist as well

2017-07-19 22:28:08 UTC  

similar to other anti-colonial projects, you have a lot of people and groups working together who normally wouldn't

2017-07-19 22:28:21 UTC  

I think the Kuomintang and the Chinese Communist Party also worked together for a bit

2017-07-19 22:28:26 UTC  

^^^

2017-07-19 22:28:29 UTC  

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT

2017-07-19 22:28:40 UTC  

They were originally in the same party

2017-07-19 22:28:43 UTC  

But Mao broke off

2017-07-19 22:28:56 UTC  

Then they worked together during the Second Sino-Japanese war

2017-07-19 22:28:58 UTC  

>you can fight together for a cause and not agree with everything your bedfellows support

Makhno mistake, almost literally the October Revolution.

2017-07-19 22:29:20 UTC  

You guys like Mao?

2017-07-19 22:29:26 UTC  

Revisionist

2017-07-19 22:29:30 UTC  

I thought the fella was a mass murderer

2017-07-19 22:29:36 UTC  

tbh I think China is pretty based atm

2017-07-19 22:29:53 UTC  

mmm, China is state-capitalist, I would say

2017-07-19 22:29:57 UTC  

Mao was good but he could have been much much better

2017-07-19 22:30:00 UTC  

Thats pretty leftist

2017-07-19 22:30:01 UTC  

he made mistakes

2017-07-19 22:30:14 UTC  

Also, before modernist terms, the Nazi Party was considered a leftist party

2017-07-19 22:30:16 UTC  

State-Capitalism, despite its name, is very anti-capitalist

2017-07-19 22:30:25 UTC  

Because of their economic beliefs

2017-07-19 22:30:32 UTC  

what economic beliefs?

2017-07-19 22:30:40 UTC  

they didn't have consistent economic beliefs

2017-07-19 22:30:48 UTC  

State owned industry, workers rights

2017-07-19 22:30:53 UTC  

etc...