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2017-07-27 11:22:15 UTC  

there is a reason eastern rome survived

2017-07-27 11:22:19 UTC  

and its because of the balkan shield

2017-07-27 11:22:22 UTC  

to keep the goths and alans out

2017-07-27 11:22:40 UTC  

visigoths raided balkans but the byzantines could always retreat to constantiople

2017-07-27 11:22:45 UTC  

That was circumstantial

2017-07-27 11:22:54 UTC  

if it wasn't for their defenses they would've succumbed as well

2017-07-27 11:22:54 UTC  

yeah thats what I'm saying

2017-07-27 11:23:09 UTC  

but the byzantines had tons of foreign fighters as well

2017-07-27 11:23:21 UTC  

which is a tradition that went well into the high middle ages

2017-07-27 11:23:23 UTC  

here is a great song

2017-07-27 11:23:38 UTC  
2017-07-27 11:23:48 UTC  

This was centuries afterwards

2017-07-27 11:24:00 UTC  

after the fall of rome

2017-07-27 11:24:10 UTC  

the Greeks were fairly integrated into roman culture

2017-07-27 11:24:13 UTC  

and thus they clung onto it

2017-07-27 11:24:32 UTC  

varagians were like 900s to 1200s or 1300s

2017-07-27 11:24:36 UTC  

but the point is they were foreign fighters

2017-07-27 11:24:47 UTC  

and it didnt cause them any problems

2017-07-27 11:24:49 UTC  

was quite a benefit actually

2017-07-27 11:24:52 UTC  

They were influenced by money

2017-07-27 11:25:02 UTC  

they had no real reason to care for the stability of the state

2017-07-27 11:25:08 UTC  

they had no connection to the empire

2017-07-27 11:25:11 UTC  

other than a contract

2017-07-27 11:25:25 UTC  

yet they sustained it until the crusades destroyed it

2017-07-27 11:25:33 UTC  

the byzantine empire that is

2017-07-27 11:25:39 UTC  

They weren't truly the roman empire

2017-07-27 11:25:45 UTC  

they were just a bastard offspring

2017-07-27 11:25:52 UTC  

the real empire, the real thing died in the 400s

2017-07-27 11:26:10 UTC  

yes but my point is that its not fair to just say foreign fighters (like roman allae) were the reason for rome's downfall

2017-07-27 11:26:33 UTC  

it was that combined with the circumstance of a mass migration and woefully ill prepared geography to repell it

2017-07-27 11:26:39 UTC  

Yep

2017-07-27 11:26:48 UTC  

Culture clash

2017-07-27 11:26:52 UTC  

two words

2017-07-27 11:26:56 UTC  

sums that whole thing up

2017-07-27 11:27:00 UTC  

and that is what delivered the blow

2017-07-27 11:27:08 UTC  

Multiculturalism is a culture clash

2017-07-27 11:27:19 UTC  

albeit more subtly

2017-07-27 11:27:20 UTC  

you know rome is the oldest state in world history

2017-07-27 11:27:28 UTC  

but sometimses it can be extreme

2017-07-27 11:27:33 UTC  

except for like switzerland I guess

2017-07-27 11:27:38 UTC  

oldest large power