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2017-07-27 11:24:36 UTC  

but the point is they were foreign fighters

2017-07-27 11:24:47 UTC  

and it didnt cause them any problems

2017-07-27 11:24:49 UTC  

was quite a benefit actually

2017-07-27 11:24:52 UTC  

They were influenced by money

2017-07-27 11:25:02 UTC  

they had no real reason to care for the stability of the state

2017-07-27 11:25:08 UTC  

they had no connection to the empire

2017-07-27 11:25:11 UTC  

other than a contract

2017-07-27 11:25:25 UTC  

yet they sustained it until the crusades destroyed it

2017-07-27 11:25:33 UTC  

the byzantine empire that is

2017-07-27 11:25:39 UTC  

They weren't truly the roman empire

2017-07-27 11:25:45 UTC  

they were just a bastard offspring

2017-07-27 11:25:52 UTC  

the real empire, the real thing died in the 400s

2017-07-27 11:26:10 UTC  

yes but my point is that its not fair to just say foreign fighters (like roman allae) were the reason for rome's downfall

2017-07-27 11:26:33 UTC  

it was that combined with the circumstance of a mass migration and woefully ill prepared geography to repell it

2017-07-27 11:26:39 UTC  

Yep

2017-07-27 11:26:48 UTC  

Culture clash

2017-07-27 11:26:52 UTC  

two words

2017-07-27 11:26:56 UTC  

sums that whole thing up

2017-07-27 11:27:00 UTC  

and that is what delivered the blow

2017-07-27 11:27:08 UTC  

Multiculturalism is a culture clash

2017-07-27 11:27:19 UTC  

albeit more subtly

2017-07-27 11:27:20 UTC  

you know rome is the oldest state in world history

2017-07-27 11:27:28 UTC  

but sometimses it can be extreme

2017-07-27 11:27:33 UTC  

except for like switzerland I guess

2017-07-27 11:27:38 UTC  

oldest large power

2017-07-27 11:27:48 UTC  

Rome was only that by circumstance

2017-07-27 11:27:50 UTC  

it was over 800 years old (western rome) at its downfall

2017-07-27 11:27:55 UTC  

not because of their multiculturalism

2017-07-27 11:28:08 UTC  

not multiculturalism

2017-07-27 11:28:09 UTC  

no

2017-07-27 11:28:13 UTC  

very roman centric culture

2017-07-27 11:28:17 UTC  

Exactly

2017-07-27 11:28:21 UTC  

but it was because of their lack of ethnocentrism

2017-07-27 11:28:25 UTC  

they simply couldnt have done it

2017-07-27 11:28:30 UTC  

if they viewed themselves as an ethnic people

2017-07-27 11:28:31 UTC  

the roman empire didn't fall until 1453 though 🤔

2017-07-27 11:28:34 UTC  

they wouldnt have had the manpower

2017-07-27 11:28:39 UTC  

felt western rome fell in 400s

2017-07-27 11:28:48 UTC  

Yep I don't disagree

2017-07-27 11:28:53 UTC  

But still roman empire

2017-07-27 11:28:58 UTC  

Eastern half