yes but my point is that its not fair to just say foreign fighters (like roman allae) were the reason for rome's downfall

it was that combined with the circumstance of a mass migration and woefully ill prepared geography to repell it

Yep

Culture clash

two words

sums that whole thing up

and that is what delivered the blow

Multiculturalism is a culture clash

albeit more subtly

you know rome is the oldest state in world history

but sometimses it can be extreme

except for like switzerland I guess

oldest large power

Rome was only that by circumstance

it was over 800 years old (western rome) at its downfall

not because of their multiculturalism

not multiculturalism

no

very roman centric culture

Exactly

but it was because of their lack of ethnocentrism

they simply couldnt have done it

if they viewed themselves as an ethnic people

the roman empire didn't fall until 1453 though 🤔

they wouldnt have had the manpower

felt western rome fell in 400s

Yep I don't disagree

But still roman empire

Eastern half

and not even ethnically roman

yeah and they had an obsession with ethnic greek too

a bit of a departure from the west

Was still holding the legacy of rome

Only in name

it's like blacks coming to sweden and taking over the northern half, and then the south falls

lol

hahaha

Only reason the western half fell was because it was corrupt and no one was being intergrated in they was still 2nd class citzen if you was born in gaul

more like in real life, malmo secedes as the caliphate

scandavian caliphate

2 soon 😭