Message from @Deleted User
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wow
stunning
communism is an economic system
I'll spell it out again
capitalism is an economic system
"because it's a stupid thing to attribute to an economic system"
"no one argues the communist death toll in interventions by socialist states"
I don't count military intervention as the consequence of a country having a specific economic system
be it communism or capitalism
communism is both an economic and political system, actually
sure
and a mode of production, and a philosophy
as capitalist countries and governments undergo different ruling governments with different ideologies, but they're all united by a desire to preserve markets
but also an economic system so
but all communist countries throughout history have displayed equivalent totalitarian tendencies
albeit with varying severity
Do you understand my statement now? @Deleted User
"I don't count military intervention as the consequence of a country having a specific economic system"
But a country with a specific economic system would have a specific incentive to retain influence within a certain economic sphere? so I guess I understand your statement but it's incorrect
How do you make a distinction between a capitalistic intervention and a regular military intervention?
especially in the cold war
take any example from history
so, German support for Austria during WWI, for example?
Sure
although that's a direct response to war close to their front
I guess because of cultural, geopolitical and constitutional alliances between Austria and Germany, which could exist if both countries collectivised their fuel allocation for example, whereas something like the Iraq War being motivated by oil would be considerably harder for a country with a socialist mode of production (wherein the ruling class cannot financially benefit from the war's enactment) to justify
Have some faith in Leninism my bois
But the allied forces profited from winning WWI greatly
As would Germany and Austria if they won
no question
they'd be richer
but that wasn't the primary incentive for fighting the war
an economic incentive!
What I'm arguing is that almost all military interventions have a positive economic incentive
incentive =/= consequence
Hard to distinguish one from a ''capitalist'' intervention
I could kill you for trying to kill me, and take your money, the money I could take wouldn't be my driving force behind killing you
it would be fear of destruction
Right, but the end result is the same
And as I already pointed out, the U.S was isolationist at the period in time they had the freest market
politics is a continuous process, there isn't an end result when you're talking about nations' motives for adopting certain command structures