Message from @Deleted User

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2017-08-07 18:20:20 UTC  

no

2017-08-07 18:20:23 UTC  

i cant

2017-08-07 18:20:43 UTC  

So yeah I've read it about three times and still can't even

2017-08-07 18:20:47 UTC  

wow

2017-08-07 18:20:50 UTC  

stunning

2017-08-07 18:20:52 UTC  

communism is an economic system

2017-08-07 18:20:54 UTC  

I'll spell it out again

2017-08-07 18:20:58 UTC  

capitalism is an economic system

2017-08-07 18:21:06 UTC  

"because it's a stupid thing to attribute to an economic system"

2017-08-07 18:21:12 UTC  

"no one argues the communist death toll in interventions by socialist states"

2017-08-07 18:21:17 UTC  

I don't count military intervention as the consequence of a country having a specific economic system

2017-08-07 18:21:23 UTC  

be it communism or capitalism

2017-08-07 18:21:26 UTC  

communism is both an economic and political system, actually

2017-08-07 18:21:30 UTC  

sure

2017-08-07 18:21:39 UTC  

and a mode of production, and a philosophy

2017-08-07 18:21:46 UTC  

as capitalist countries and governments undergo different ruling governments with different ideologies, but they're all united by a desire to preserve markets

2017-08-07 18:21:50 UTC  

but also an economic system so

2017-08-07 18:22:01 UTC  

but all communist countries throughout history have displayed equivalent totalitarian tendencies

2017-08-07 18:22:07 UTC  

albeit with varying severity

2017-08-07 18:22:58 UTC  

Do you understand my statement now? @Deleted User

2017-08-07 18:24:29 UTC  

"I don't count military intervention as the consequence of a country having a specific economic system"
But a country with a specific economic system would have a specific incentive to retain influence within a certain economic sphere? so I guess I understand your statement but it's incorrect

2017-08-07 18:26:34 UTC  

How do you make a distinction between a capitalistic intervention and a regular military intervention?

2017-08-07 18:26:54 UTC  

especially in the cold war

2017-08-07 18:27:04 UTC  

can you give me an example of what you think is a 'regular military intervention'?

2017-08-07 18:27:16 UTC  

take any example from history

2017-08-07 18:27:57 UTC  

so, German support for Austria during WWI, for example?

2017-08-07 18:28:05 UTC  

Sure

2017-08-07 18:29:03 UTC  

although that's a direct response to war close to their front

2017-08-07 18:31:25 UTC  

I guess because of cultural, geopolitical and constitutional alliances between Austria and Germany, which could exist if both countries collectivised their fuel allocation for example, whereas something like the Iraq War being motivated by oil would be considerably harder for a country with a socialist mode of production (wherein the ruling class cannot financially benefit from the war's enactment) to justify

2017-08-07 18:32:28 UTC  

Have some faith in Leninism my bois

2017-08-07 18:33:09 UTC  

But the allied forces profited from winning WWI greatly

2017-08-07 18:33:16 UTC  

As would Germany and Austria if they won

2017-08-07 18:33:20 UTC  

no question

2017-08-07 18:33:21 UTC  

they'd be richer

2017-08-07 18:33:31 UTC  

but that wasn't the primary incentive for fighting the war

2017-08-07 18:33:34 UTC  

an economic incentive!

2017-08-07 18:34:05 UTC  

What I'm arguing is that almost all military interventions have a positive economic incentive

2017-08-07 18:34:16 UTC  

incentive =/= consequence

2017-08-07 18:34:24 UTC  

Hard to distinguish one from a ''capitalist'' intervention

2017-08-07 18:34:43 UTC  

I could kill you for trying to kill me, and take your money, the money I could take wouldn't be my driving force behind killing you

2017-08-07 18:34:55 UTC  

it would be fear of destruction