Message from @Anglican

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2017-08-09 08:58:01 UTC  

you should

2017-08-09 08:58:04 UTC  

I mean

2017-08-09 08:58:10 UTC  

it isn't his job to educate himself

2017-08-09 08:58:28 UTC  

I don't understand how this got into a discussion of positive and negative freedoms

2017-08-09 08:58:34 UTC  

silly to define such things

2017-08-09 08:58:36 UTC  

if you make a claim, you support it, if it needs definition, one should define it. it's not the task of your opponent to do this.

2017-08-09 08:58:37 UTC  

it is entirely subjective

2017-08-09 08:58:39 UTC  

It doesn't mean bad or good.

2017-08-09 08:58:53 UTC  

value is objective

2017-08-09 08:59:00 UTC  

Okay, come on buddy. Let us talk.

2017-08-09 08:59:01 UTC  

shouldn't have negative or positive on it then

2017-08-09 08:59:29 UTC  

Starting with negative freedoms; it is the freedoms which libertarians/anarchists generally want when they aren't on the left.

2017-08-09 08:59:39 UTC  

It is a freedom to do what you want to do if you have the ability.

2017-08-09 08:59:47 UTC  

I already know this

2017-08-09 08:59:48 UTC  

For example, wanna fuck a dog?

2017-08-09 08:59:57 UTC  

Got the ability to hold it down and not get caught?

2017-08-09 09:00:01 UTC  

Go at it chum.

2017-08-09 09:00:25 UTC  

economic freedom isn't negative freedom

2017-08-09 09:00:26 UTC  

Whilst positive freedoms are different in their nature; they are a freedom to purpose.

2017-08-09 09:00:48 UTC  

Most all of freedom to thought fall under this.

2017-08-09 09:01:00 UTC  

It is.

2017-08-09 09:01:09 UTC  

The market is a perfect example of negative freedoms at kwor.

2017-08-09 09:01:14 UTC  

*work

2017-08-09 09:01:23 UTC  

Why do you disagree with self determination and individualism?

2017-08-09 09:01:34 UTC  

you cannot control every aspect of somebody

2017-08-09 09:01:38 UTC  

sure, some people may find postive freedom in the market. But this is the overwhelming majority that don't.

2017-08-09 09:01:45 UTC  

Did I say that?

2017-08-09 09:01:50 UTC  

I already know your views

2017-08-09 09:02:05 UTC  

you want authoritarianism in most areas of life

2017-08-09 09:02:14 UTC  

you don't want economic freedom

2017-08-09 09:02:23 UTC  

nor freedom of political expression

2017-08-09 09:02:32 UTC  

Not really.

2017-08-09 09:02:44 UTC  

I mean, the expression of ideals are important.

2017-08-09 09:02:50 UTC  

Except that it is a one state

2017-08-09 09:02:53 UTC  

I adhear to a belief in a single party democracy.

2017-08-09 09:02:58 UTC  

one party state

2017-08-09 09:03:03 UTC  

LIke how they had in the USSR and Thrid Reich

2017-08-09 09:03:32 UTC  

there were mass meetings, especially so in the USSR, and the people would hold scurtinty to the party members

2017-08-09 09:03:48 UTC  

every working man who wished to attend was allowed to, and any question could be asked.

2017-08-09 09:03:49 UTC  

They still hold no power

2017-08-09 09:03:55 UTC  

no influence on them