Message from @Deleted User

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2017-08-09 08:54:43 UTC  

It is a negative freedom.

2017-08-09 08:54:54 UTC  

No, this is an objective way of looking at it.

2017-08-09 08:55:00 UTC  

Well you make it so

2017-08-09 08:55:03 UTC  

Negative doesn't refer to bed here.

2017-08-09 08:55:10 UTC  

*bad

2017-08-09 08:55:14 UTC  

economic freedom is a positive influence either way

2017-08-09 08:55:33 UTC  

It means that you are free to do what you can afford/do by your own power

2017-08-09 08:55:43 UTC  

while positive freedom is the freedom to something greater.

2017-08-09 08:55:49 UTC  

economic freedom breeds what we call the "Civic Religion" which has led to today's current predicament.

2017-08-09 08:55:56 UTC  

Hope, happiness.

2017-08-09 08:56:12 UTC  

literally doesn't matter

2017-08-09 08:56:25 UTC  

both sides strive for idealism

2017-08-09 08:56:28 UTC  

pick one over the other

2017-08-09 08:56:34 UTC  

Freedom to faith and patriotism is a positive freedom.

2017-08-09 08:56:52 UTC  

While freedom to fuck a cow is a negative freedom.

2017-08-09 08:57:24 UTC  

who made up these definitions?

2017-08-09 08:57:26 UTC  

It is simple; postive freedoms are those of quality and of real importance. Negatives are not. They are primal.

2017-08-09 08:57:36 UTC  

it isn't necessary at all

2017-08-09 08:57:43 UTC  

it's self explanatory

2017-08-09 08:57:46 UTC  

Sorry, do I have to say every single time their definations?

2017-08-09 08:57:59 UTC  

what?

2017-08-09 08:58:01 UTC  

you should

2017-08-09 08:58:04 UTC  

I mean

2017-08-09 08:58:10 UTC  

it isn't his job to educate himself

2017-08-09 08:58:28 UTC  

I don't understand how this got into a discussion of positive and negative freedoms

2017-08-09 08:58:34 UTC  

silly to define such things

2017-08-09 08:58:36 UTC  

if you make a claim, you support it, if it needs definition, one should define it. it's not the task of your opponent to do this.

2017-08-09 08:58:37 UTC  

it is entirely subjective

2017-08-09 08:58:39 UTC  

It doesn't mean bad or good.

2017-08-09 08:58:53 UTC  

value is objective

2017-08-09 08:59:00 UTC  

Okay, come on buddy. Let us talk.

2017-08-09 08:59:01 UTC  

shouldn't have negative or positive on it then

2017-08-09 08:59:29 UTC  

Starting with negative freedoms; it is the freedoms which libertarians/anarchists generally want when they aren't on the left.

2017-08-09 08:59:39 UTC  

It is a freedom to do what you want to do if you have the ability.

2017-08-09 08:59:47 UTC  

I already know this

2017-08-09 08:59:48 UTC  

For example, wanna fuck a dog?

2017-08-09 08:59:57 UTC  

Got the ability to hold it down and not get caught?

2017-08-09 09:00:01 UTC  

Go at it chum.

2017-08-09 09:00:25 UTC  

economic freedom isn't negative freedom

2017-08-09 09:00:26 UTC  

Whilst positive freedoms are different in their nature; they are a freedom to purpose.

2017-08-09 09:00:48 UTC  

Most all of freedom to thought fall under this.