Message from @Valtiel
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“Come, come, whoever you are. Wanderer, worshiper, lover of leaving. It doesn't matter. Ours is not a caravan of despair. come, even if you have broken your vows a thousand times. Come, yet again , come , come.”
what is the "Protestantism of Islam"
It makes the perception of the world really easy. I can't lie on my choice being pragmatic.
"This silence, this moment, every moment, If it's genuinely inside you, brings what you need."
On the answer for above 'propaganda' issue, "Silence is the language of God, all else is poor translation."
@Deleted User Salafism, tries to return to the roots.
And they're responsible for terrorism.
How exactly did you equate protestantism to tradition
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Now looking for a protestanism in Islam would be inaccurate, Islam never had an Aquinas nor Luther and this is basically the reason Muslim world is suffering today actually
I hope that answers your question
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Islam needs strict reforms for getting rid of the tribal rules and culture shaped around it
@Deleted User Protestantism tried to return to the roots by disapproving of all the novelties which came later.
Salafism aims for the same, it's official ideology of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic State.
But they're not ie Koranists, that's a different thing.
ME tribalism is barbaric as hell
Yep, rationality is a high trait we have emphasis upon
That includes criticizing the religion itself
Muhammad's companions were tribalists. Islam emerged in this culture.
@National Trotskyist >protestantism as traditionalist in any sense
this is surely a troll response
Sure, the whole religion is a desert religion initially, hence my point of needing reforms
So you're a modern day Luther? Are you saying Muhammad was not the best example and you know better?
Haven't you seen protties bragging about how they're like the first xtians unlike the evil papists?
I'd argue closest to that came the Anabaptists who even lived in communes.
Reformists are arrogant and isolationist. Why leave us behind. We have to steer the ship away from danger, not escape in a lifeboat.
Christians used to be backward as hell and Islam was considered to be more sophisticated. What happened?
The culture at least
Brb babes
@Valtiel I don't even know how to respond to that.
Happa racial superiority is what granted the Rashiduns victory
@Deleted User like Muslims had hospitals and clean water and would bath. But Europe was stuck in the dark ages. With peasants dying from the plague
I wouldn't be too prideful. God often takes away what is easily given. Power shifts around a lot in Islamic world, always has.
@Valtiel This is a meme. Not sure what books you have been reading.
What part is the meme?
The hellenic world transformed the world and then so did the Romans, whose Empire didn't offically collapse until the 5th century. Do you think that all the infrastructure disappears over night? The 'dark ages' is a misleading term.
@Deleted User 15th century
@Valtiel We Wuz Kangz n Sheit but then da evil Mongols came and sacked Baghdad.
@Deleted User no shit. It took hundreds of years for Europe to go from Rome to Feudalism
@Deleted User That's correct. My mind is always in the Western Empire, my mistake. All praise to Constantinople.