Message from @DessertBeagle

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2017-08-22 05:36:49 UTC  

@Deleted User Wait, you are anti rights?

2017-08-22 05:36:51 UTC  

Just actions.

2017-08-22 05:37:08 UTC  

@Deleted User Acting for actng's sake?

2017-08-22 05:37:09 UTC  

'Natural right' is a spook.

2017-08-22 05:37:27 UTC  

So what about personal freedoms?

2017-08-22 05:37:38 UTC  

Afterall, you do want to liberate the workers, as you claim.

2017-08-22 05:38:13 UTC  

but WW2 was not the beginning of genocide and ethnic cleansing, those have long historical precedent. While they saw use in that conflict, I reject the notion that WW2 saw those tactics somehow enshrined ('enriched') in the western way of war. Look at the many conflicts the US has engaged in since then where these were not part of the overall strategy.
Back to your earlier point of 'extermination based total war', well in the end the nation who used that strategy lost to a multinational coalition. So I would say that we haven't seen that used successfully in warfare in centuries. However, it has often been used in modern times successfully against a populace by their own government (Armenian genocide, russian pogroms, etc..)

2017-08-22 05:39:00 UTC  

Ethnic cleansing and genocide has existed since humanity first began to develop civilizations.

2017-08-22 05:40:04 UTC  

@Apollo'sJest Acting against social institutions which oppresses the reality of the individual. State, property etc. which are just abstractions and trickery.

2017-08-22 05:40:42 UTC  

@Deleted User I don't recognise the 'personal freedom' meme. In what context? There is only the individual. It is what it is.

2017-08-22 05:42:09 UTC  

@Deleted User If the workers and people in general do not have any rights, then what differentiates your commune from a tyranical state?

2017-08-22 05:42:45 UTC  

@Deleted User You're making way too many assumptions here. I've never advocated any of this.

2017-08-22 05:43:05 UTC  

Yet you just said that you do not recognise personal freedom, or natural rights.

2017-08-22 05:43:06 UTC  

@DessertBeagle Fair point about previous usage. The Germans largly rehabilitated old strategies and gave 'em a modern spin - that is indeed more accurate. Yes Germany lost. Doesn't maean that they had to loose. Doesn't mean that someone in the future won't do somrting simmilar and not manage to win. I see the point against the use of such methods based on making everyone nervous but as I said: the fact Adolf fucked up doesn't mean someone else won't succede.

2017-08-22 05:43:15 UTC  

@Deleted User Correct.

2017-08-22 05:43:40 UTC  

@Apollo'sJest fair enough, but we can play the 'what if' game all day

2017-08-22 05:43:41 UTC  

It's a false dichotomy.

2017-08-22 05:44:08 UTC  

@DessertBeagle What are we arguing over anyway at this point? We seem to agree don't we?

2017-08-22 05:44:37 UTC  

I don't think there's really anything of substance to disagree over honestly.

2017-08-22 05:44:59 UTC  

@DessertBeagle Yay! Friends!

2017-08-22 05:45:16 UTC  

🤝

2017-08-22 05:45:19 UTC  

@Deleted User But yet, in a commune where no common person has any person freedom or rights, it makes it equivalent to a tyranical state which oppresses all common people.

2017-08-22 05:45:34 UTC  

Who said anything about a commune?

2017-08-22 05:46:45 UTC  

You advocate for anarchism, which ironically is almost the exact oppisate of what you advocate for.

2017-08-22 05:46:51 UTC  

@Deleted User Chopin mentioned he doesn't have any political goals. It seems to me that it's more 'bout philosophical enrichment of individuals n'shiiiiiiit.

2017-08-22 05:47:09 UTC  

@Apollo'sJest It seems so.

2017-08-22 05:48:21 UTC  

Pretty much. And why would I move to a commune? Which one? You're just making blanket assumptions to cater to your prejudices.

2017-08-22 05:49:40 UTC  

@Deleted User Well das what you get for labeling yourself an anarchist don't you? If you use the label people will assume things about you that are commonly associated with the label

2017-08-22 05:50:30 UTC  

Your ignorance is not my fault.

2017-08-22 05:50:38 UTC  

I thought that anarchists wanted to replace the state with communes?

2017-08-22 05:50:48 UTC  

Some might.

2017-08-22 05:50:49 UTC  

@Deleted User Das a profoundly antisocial position to take.

2017-08-22 05:51:05 UTC  

Okay...

2017-08-22 05:51:06 UTC  

@Deleted User "Your ignorance is not my fault." this one that is

2017-08-22 05:51:40 UTC  

@Deleted User If you called yourself a Nazi people will assume you don't like dem Juice...

2017-08-22 05:52:35 UTC  

To be fair, Chopin has conceeded that he is most interested in the situation at hand and opposing existing power structures.
We may think of him as shortsighted for not having a full blueprint for an anarchist world after the fall of existing power structures, but I think that's a tall order anyway

2017-08-22 05:52:49 UTC  

I'm moving towards individualism or maybe egoism. That's a kind of anarchist. I don't see the mystery or inconsistency.

2017-08-22 05:53:17 UTC  

@DessertBeagle Thank you.

2017-08-22 05:53:49 UTC  

@Deleted User "I am an anarcho egoist, but personal freedoms and rights need to be abolished"

2017-08-22 05:54:04 UTC  

My point is if you call yourself an anarchist people WILL assume that you are taking an explicitly political stance and you can't really blame them for it.

2017-08-22 05:54:20 UTC  

@Deleted User Have you even done a preliminary search about egoism?