Message from @olev
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Hmm
I'm actually economically left
But socially I have a slight right leaning
Not like natsoc though
NAtSoc spotted^^
First of all, natsoc is way more than slightly socially right wing
Second, they aren't really socialist
They claim to be
s'a modified version of socialism
And say shit like "Hitler's socialism wasn't marxist, it was much deeper"
When in reality, it practically wasn't socialism
S'a corporatist approac to it
approach
The state uses big (but limited) capital as a proxy to perform market control
It's sort of a once removed form of socialism
not to mention, in Hitler's version specifically, it was fervently ethno-nationalistic which gave it a particlar flavor
Mussolini wasn't so hell bent on race
Yeah
@Apollo'sJest Hitler's socialism was much different from what normally is associated with socialism.
Hitler did seem anti-capitalism
Yes. That was an Austrian painter, what about him?
@Deleted User oh sure
(Accidentally pressed enter on my keyboard)
@Deleted User I'd never contest that
What was Hitler's socialism? @Deleted User
Let me find the quote,
Hitler was during the 20's when his movement was taking shape, but during the 30's he discarded it when he liked the extra benefits and power he could get from the already established big corporations.
The problem with that sort of usage of quotes is that they are as much propaganda as they are statements about policy
Look at the mans actions not his words is what I'd advise
That isn't socialism, though
@olev Who says so?
Well first of all, socialism is a range of economic systems
He seems to be describing collectivism
I'm not sure, but he definitely isn't talking about an economic system in that quote
@Apollo'sJest The issue with that is most of the info about the actions of him are usually biased to hell.
@Deleted User not wrong
@Deleted User Plus we are talking about a VERY unusual context anyway: the preparation of or actual performance of total war. A context in whici it is hard to evalue an economic or social system for what it would be in normal circumstances.
Than there is the (not that silly) argument that all that Hitler advocated might just have been in the interest of the immediate political profit of his political movement thus ideologically void
At core, socialism is social ownership