Message from @olev

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2017-08-23 02:23:57 UTC  

Hmm

2017-08-23 02:24:05 UTC  

I'm actually economically left

2017-08-23 02:24:10 UTC  

But socially I have a slight right leaning

2017-08-23 02:24:16 UTC  

Not like natsoc though

2017-08-23 02:24:19 UTC  

NAtSoc spotted^^

2017-08-23 02:24:51 UTC  

First of all, natsoc is way more than slightly socially right wing

2017-08-23 02:25:03 UTC  

Second, they aren't really socialist

2017-08-23 02:25:08 UTC  

They claim to be

2017-08-23 02:25:18 UTC  

s'a modified version of socialism

2017-08-23 02:25:19 UTC  

And say shit like "Hitler's socialism wasn't marxist, it was much deeper"

2017-08-23 02:25:29 UTC  

When in reality, it practically wasn't socialism

2017-08-23 02:25:34 UTC  

S'a corporatist approac to it

2017-08-23 02:25:41 UTC  

approach

2017-08-23 02:26:43 UTC  

The state uses big (but limited) capital as a proxy to perform market control

2017-08-23 02:27:20 UTC  

It's sort of a once removed form of socialism

2017-08-23 02:28:00 UTC  

not to mention, in Hitler's version specifically, it was fervently ethno-nationalistic which gave it a particlar flavor

2017-08-23 02:28:25 UTC  

Mussolini wasn't so hell bent on race

2017-08-23 02:28:53 UTC  

Yeah

2017-08-23 02:29:20 UTC  

@Apollo'sJest Hitler's socialism was much different from what normally is associated with socialism.

2017-08-23 02:29:40 UTC  

Hitler did seem anti-capitalism

2017-08-23 02:29:41 UTC  

But

2017-08-23 02:29:42 UTC  

Yes. That was an Austrian painter, what about him?

2017-08-23 02:29:56 UTC  
2017-08-23 02:29:57 UTC  

(Accidentally pressed enter on my keyboard)

2017-08-23 02:30:09 UTC  

@Deleted User I'd never contest that

2017-08-23 02:30:09 UTC  

What was Hitler's socialism? @Deleted User

2017-08-23 02:30:26 UTC  

Let me find the quote,

2017-08-23 02:30:58 UTC  

Hitler was during the 20's when his movement was taking shape, but during the 30's he discarded it when he liked the extra benefits and power he could get from the already established big corporations.

2017-08-23 02:32:07 UTC  

The problem with that sort of usage of quotes is that they are as much propaganda as they are statements about policy

2017-08-23 02:32:32 UTC  

Look at the mans actions not his words is what I'd advise

2017-08-23 02:32:43 UTC  

That isn't socialism, though

2017-08-23 02:32:50 UTC  

@olev Who says so?

2017-08-23 02:33:02 UTC  

Well first of all, socialism is a range of economic systems

2017-08-23 02:33:07 UTC  

He seems to be describing collectivism

2017-08-23 02:33:34 UTC  

I'm not sure, but he definitely isn't talking about an economic system in that quote

2017-08-23 02:33:42 UTC  

@Apollo'sJest The issue with that is most of the info about the actions of him are usually biased to hell.

2017-08-23 02:33:57 UTC  

@Deleted User not wrong

2017-08-23 02:35:15 UTC  

@Deleted User Plus we are talking about a VERY unusual context anyway: the preparation of or actual performance of total war. A context in whici it is hard to evalue an economic or social system for what it would be in normal circumstances.

2017-08-23 02:36:24 UTC  

Than there is the (not that silly) argument that all that Hitler advocated might just have been in the interest of the immediate political profit of his political movement thus ideologically void

2017-08-23 02:36:56 UTC  

At core, socialism is social ownership