and call out the weakness for fortification.

Humans are not animals, Danger.

Especially when being under the fascist world view.

and without underlying conditions that force people to fight over scraps, people wouldn't be at each others throats

@Anglican But that is only after disciplines, and morality have been hammered into his head, in the situation that today's society is in, it seems likely that the common populace will abuse something that they can abuse.

So there for we fight it.

And point out the failings of modern man.

Then treat all of man, regardless of where and when, to be a sick animal.

We can ascend from this, but not by championing our animalistic nature or claiming man to be no better then an animal.

You don't have to give a person a moral code from above

It's called the Bible.

you can change the underlying material conditions that cause degeneracy

A person cna seek it.

But many people do not seek it because they don't want to stop living an degenerate life.

@Railing You would have to remove many,many,many, things in society in order to competely root out the causes for degeneracy, it would most likely do more harm than good if you did that.

>TV

>CArs

>the ability to reproduce and get aroused

@Railing Anarchists believe that capitalism and all unjust hierarchies should be abolished.

@Anglican It is like a drug, most of the time a person knowns it is bad, but they will refuse to stop doing it because it brings them joy.

@Railing And what do you define as an unjust hierarchie?

all hierarchies predicated on authority with a few exceptions like the parent-child relation

All authority?

yup

Why is that?

well the core idea behind anarchism is that individual should be free to act as they see fit. Authority prevents people from acting as they see fit. Therefore anarchists are against authority.

Authoritarian relations coerce people into acting against their own self-interest and result in humans committing inhuman acts.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/330892035022389249/352792821821997056/freewill.png

"There is no freedom if I can't choose to do wrong"

@Railing Yet, in societies aren't there always people who need to be ordered, and those who are ordered have to carry out their orders?

@Anglican I agree with that graphic

@Deleted User communities can organize horizontally through grass roots democracy along the lines of solidarity and mutual aid. Of course, there would coercive social constraints in anarchist society, but individuals wouldn't have explicit, institutional authority over others. This means that individuals will still be free to enact justice on criminals, etc.

A good example of an anarchist society is Israeli Kibbutz

*was kibbutz, they recently privatized much of it

So simplified, a mob would rule in a small community and would make their own rules and goals, but this is somehow different from authority?

When you boil it down, it is just an oligarchy in a community.

a mob wouldn't "rule" in any sense of the word. "Rule" implies top-down decision making, which wouldn't exist. People would be free to start their own organizations if the disagree with the prevailing agenda. Furthermore, I would stipulate that all communities organize along anarchist principles so they wouldn't come up with their own rules and regulations.

So what happens when a group get's fed up and starts their own organization that makes rules and regulations?

The point is that an individual would never be subject to any authority, not social relations would be coercive in nature as they are in capitalism

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272188680175616000/354116150424109056/Screen_Shot_2017-08-30_at_21.42.26.png

I mean that could happen, but the same could happen in any society