Besides, that flag means more to him then it eer will to you.

without the influence of capitalism

like creativity, mutual aid and solidarity

people enjoy problem solving and being involved in their communities

capitalism takes all those things away and pits people against each other in pursuit of profit

destroying human beings and the environment in the process

Yes, people enjoy that stuff.

Does it mean it's self interest?

Or is collectivism innate?

You give a person something that he **CAN** abuse, and he will abuse it.

**Incorrect**

No,

you give man a **strong moral code**\

if he is put before him something that he can abuse

he will **refuse to do so**

and call out the weakness for fortification.

Humans are not animals, Danger.

Especially when being under the fascist world view.

and without underlying conditions that force people to fight over scraps, people wouldn't be at each others throats

@Anglican But that is only after disciplines, and morality have been hammered into his head, in the situation that today's society is in, it seems likely that the common populace will abuse something that they can abuse.

So there for we fight it.

And point out the failings of modern man.

Then treat all of man, regardless of where and when, to be a sick animal.

We can ascend from this, but not by championing our animalistic nature or claiming man to be no better then an animal.

You don't have to give a person a moral code from above

It's called the Bible.

you can change the underlying material conditions that cause degeneracy

A person cna seek it.

But many people do not seek it because they don't want to stop living an degenerate life.

@Railing You would have to remove many,many,many, things in society in order to competely root out the causes for degeneracy, it would most likely do more harm than good if you did that.

>TV

>CArs

>the ability to reproduce and get aroused

@Railing Anarchists believe that capitalism and all unjust hierarchies should be abolished.

@Anglican It is like a drug, most of the time a person knowns it is bad, but they will refuse to stop doing it because it brings them joy.

@Railing And what do you define as an unjust hierarchie?

all hierarchies predicated on authority with a few exceptions like the parent-child relation

All authority?

yup

Why is that?

well the core idea behind anarchism is that individual should be free to act as they see fit. Authority prevents people from acting as they see fit. Therefore anarchists are against authority.