Message from @Anglican

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2017-09-09 04:15:47 UTC  

This is our hero, the NP is Ireland's hope of staying the last bastion of whites in Europe

2017-09-09 04:16:05 UTC  

@Anglican >the world isn't real because muh spirit
Really?

2017-09-09 04:16:27 UTC  

I agree @Anglican

2017-09-09 04:16:37 UTC  
2017-09-09 04:16:54 UTC  

Obviously, what is your point? @Deleted User

2017-09-09 04:17:11 UTC  

Now **this** is wilful ignorance.

2017-09-09 04:17:29 UTC  

Thought doesn't beget the mind

2017-09-09 04:17:43 UTC  

Beget?

2017-09-09 04:17:59 UTC  

Yes?

2017-09-09 04:18:00 UTC  

what

2017-09-09 04:18:32 UTC  

Nothing, just curious choice of language.

2017-09-09 04:18:42 UTC  

Alright

2017-09-09 04:19:22 UTC  

my point was that I agree with you but the material structure of the brain doesn't provide us with anything unless we give it value or meaning

2017-09-09 04:19:53 UTC  

Guess that religious symbol!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/355930285118062603/80px-Bahai_star.png

2017-09-09 04:19:57 UTC  

Correct. Which is why we have to be conscious of self-delusions.

2017-09-09 04:20:39 UTC  

And not pretend something has more weight than it does.

2017-09-09 04:21:00 UTC  

Like your metaphysics.

2017-09-09 04:22:30 UTC  

Show me why it is delusional

2017-09-09 04:24:10 UTC  

Because it does not reflect objective, material reality, which is the explanation of all things. Otherwise, at best you believe in a redundancy, at worst a delusion.

2017-09-09 04:25:44 UTC  

Have you every had a dream...

2017-09-09 04:25:51 UTC  

Besides insane ramblings, most of the "fantasy" has direct influence on the material world that you value so much

2017-09-09 04:25:53 UTC  

That you could... You could do anything...

2017-09-09 04:25:57 UTC  

that you value as objective

2017-09-09 04:26:11 UTC  

And he touched you so much...

2017-09-09 04:26:25 UTC  

Fantastical archetypes have reasons for existing

2017-09-09 04:26:31 UTC  

It is objective -> subjective -> objective. But material explanation is primary.

2017-09-09 04:27:00 UTC  

why is material explanation primary?

2017-09-09 04:27:17 UTC  

The battle of the Intellectuals

2017-09-09 04:27:22 UTC  

everyone step back

2017-09-09 04:28:04 UTC  

It is the non-reducible explanation. The ideal can be reduced to the material explanation, but not the other way around.

2017-09-09 04:29:16 UTC  

At least, not objectively.

2017-09-09 04:30:52 UTC  

It can be reduced to a material explanation, for simplicity, but this is not desirable

2017-09-09 04:31:03 UTC  

>not desirable

2017-09-09 04:31:19 UTC  

also, there can be several subjective derivatives of the same objective truth

2017-09-09 04:31:30 UTC  

like that of virtue, for example

2017-09-09 04:31:47 UTC  

there are many moralities that exemplify that objective truth

2017-09-09 04:31:59 UTC  

Why is simplicity desirable?

2017-09-09 04:32:22 UTC  

~~*Non-believers will easily refuse belief by their own precious sciences, which came from the believer. Which without understanding any value or the point in faith, I suppose it is easy to do so. Throwing one's hands up and saying that **faith** is unprovable. They are set and done.*~~

2017-09-09 04:36:21 UTC  

The objective truth is that all morality is rooted in the material. A virtue does not exist objectively, but is reflected in the subjective according the biology we have in common.

2017-09-09 04:37:17 UTC  

The desirability has little bearing on the objective truth.